Semi-voilent stall out, hard stop, now no juice?

bennnn · 06-25-2011, 04:18 PM

I had this morning planned for a long ride out in the country to get to know my Zong a little better, but right at the end of my road onto the main drag some asshat in a car cut me off so bad that I jumped into first gear and hit the brake so hard the front tire squealed and I stalled it out really hard.....

I went to start it back up and roll on, but no go. No sign of electric anything to the starter button.

I pushed it off onto the sidewalk, and checked some things out; I kicked it right over and it started up fine, but the front brake is NOT lighting the light up, (the back break lights the light,) blinkers were working but very dim, headlight dim, no horn, no neutural light, and all of this stuff only works when the engine is running, sitting off with the key switch on it has no power to anything,

The cut off switch still does its job,

So, long story short, after a violent stop I have no power from the battery to anything sitting cold. Kick start it and the lights work a little bit, but all very dim, and my front brake does not light the brake light, starter button might as well not be there but the cut off works fine.

What the hell happened?

Wild_Alaskan · 06-25-2011, 05:09 PM

check the fuse and battery connections, the fuse should be in a plastic case near the positive battery lead

bennnn · 06-25-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild_Alaskan

check the fuse and battery connections, the fuse should be in a plastic case near the positive battery lead

Yes sir, I actually checked that fuse by the battery right after it happened, fuse is good. I will go open the battery box and check those. I just wired in a charger lead yesterday so I know the connections are good and tight.

I am going out now to open up the battery box and take a look at everthing else I can see easily,

Any other ideas?

Barnone · 06-25-2011, 07:07 PM

Try a new battery.

FastDoc · 06-25-2011, 08:30 PM

Many of us have seen batterys fall out of Hondoids...

Wild_Alaskan · 06-25-2011, 09:47 PM

make sure the charger lead hasn't shorted with anything also, the frame is like a negative terminal as you probably already know

bennnn · 06-25-2011, 10:41 PM

The battery is good, my charger checks it and when I plugged it in to see it read as being all good. The battery connections are good, and nothing is damaged or out of place, the charging lead I wired in had nothing to do with this, I ran it for several days after that, it has a cover that snaps over and into the contact posts and I have it tied up well away from the frame,,,,,

Maybe if I re-explain somebody will have a better idea of where to look at this problem; I was running in third gear and had it revved up almost wound out about to shift up when I dumped it into first, grabbed the brake and then let the clutch go on accident, so it went from high third to first, I braked, let go of the clutch and it squealed pretty hard and then came to a hard dead stop.

Is there some electrical thing to look at? I can do just about anything with a car or truck, but I've only owned this bike a week and never turned a bolt on a bike before changing the oil the other day.

Weldangrind · 06-26-2011, 02:16 AM

I was thinking that the front brake switch failed, resulting in its inability to light the brake light, but you have too many other symptoms for that. That said, it is possible that you have two separate problems that could have you chasing your tail. For reference, there aren't many electrical components to be concerned with; you have a stator, a CDI, a regulator, a solenoid and a coil. Beyond that, it's all switches and wire.

Attention dual sport riders: please chime in here. Does your headlight come on with the key only? The horn? The turn signals? The neutral light? Ideally we'd hear from Zong owners, but these circuits are likely common to all China bikes.

Bennnn, have you tried using the electric start while applying the rear brake?

Barnone · 06-26-2011, 08:40 AM

You are saying that you can kick start but not start using the e start, right?

If so, try jump starting the bike from your car battery. If it jump starts then you have a bad battery.

bennnn · 06-27-2011, 12:58 AM

Weldandgrind, that is interesting, I hadnt tried to start it with the back brake depressed. But this afternoon I did just for S & G and all I got was a clicking noise that if it was a car I would have said was a soelniod,

What sucks for me is that I can't get out to work on it at all untill tuesday, I'm sure it's something I can straighten out once I get to work on it, but the life, kids, wife, college, ect, have me tied up so bad that even though it's going to be 90something tomorrow I have to drive the dang car everywhere.

I will say this, I think the posters above talking about the battery may have something. I have this snazzy charger I bought that is supposed to "sense" when the battery is charged, AND flash a special signal if the battery needs to be replaced...........

As I posted above, I plugged it in yesterday and it said the battery was good, just low. Well, I left it on the dang charger all night, and this morning it still just said it was charging, not flashing that the battery was bad.. But, uhhhhh,, it should only take about 3-4 hours to get it fully charged right?

I think maybe the battery has been physically damaged by this little incident, is that what you guys mean?

SpudRider · 06-27-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnone

You are saying that you can kick start but not start using the e start, right?

If so, try jump starting the bike from your car battery. If it jump starts then you have a bad battery.

I agree.

It sounds to me like you have a bad battery.

Spud

SpudRider · 06-27-2011, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

...Attention dual sport riders: please chime in here. Does your headlight come on with the key only? The horn? The turn signals? The neutral light? Ideally we'd hear from Zong owners, but these circuits are likely common to all China bikes...

All the lights for the Zongshen 200GY-2 operate only when the ignition switch is turned on.

I suspect a loose connection is causing the problem with the brake light switch for the front brake. I agree with Barnone; I think you have a bad battery, Ben.

Spud

SpudRider · 06-27-2011, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bennnn

...I have this snazzy charger I bought that is supposed to "sense" when the battery is charged, AND flash a special signal if the battery needs to be replaced...........

As I posted above, I plugged it in yesterday and it said the battery was good, just low. Well, I left it on the dang charger all night, and this morning it still just said it was charging, not flashing that the battery was bad.. But, uhhhhh,, it should only take about 3-4 hours to get it fully charged right?...

I don't trust the diagnostics on your snazzy, new, battery charger, Ben.

Indeed, a good battery would be fully charged after an overnight charging session.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bennnn

...I think maybe the battery has been physically damaged by this little incident, is that what you guys mean?

I don't think the battery was damaged by your sudden stop. The stock, Yuasa battery in the Zong is a good battery, but it will eventually wear out. I suggest you do as Barnone suggested, and jump start your bike from your car battery, with the car's engine not running.

If the bike starts easily, and all your lights work properly, you will know for certain you have a bad battery. As I stated earlier, I suspect you have a loose connection on the brake light switch for your front brake.

Spud

Moonbloodsflow · 06-27-2011, 01:32 AM

It's possible to have a bad battery and it meter out the correct voltage but when it's put under load it just craps out. That's exactly what happened with me.

If the Zong is anything like the newer QLinks, the battery also acts as a capacitor from my research. So it sounds like a bad battery. My bike had pretty much the same symptoms and I tore it all apart checking all of the electrical only to find out it was the battery. It had me fooled because it kept metering the right voltage.

Also, just my opinion, make sure when you're charging your battery you aren't charging it with a high amperage output. Use the lowest setting your battery charger has, ideally under 2 amps. Really 1/2 an amp or an amp would be better.

Weldangrind · 06-27-2011, 02:06 AM

It sounds like you really do have two problems then. The battery and the front brake switch conspired to drive you nuts.

06-25-2011, 04:18 PM	#1
bennnn Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 62	Semi-voilent stall out, hard stop, now no juice? I had this morning planned for a long ride out in the country to get to know my Zong a little better, but right at the end of my road onto the main drag some asshat in a car cut me off so bad that I jumped into first gear and hit the brake so hard the front tire squealed and I stalled it out really hard..... I went to start it back up and roll on, but no go. No sign of electric anything to the starter button. I pushed it off onto the sidewalk, and checked some things out; I kicked it right over and it started up fine, but the front brake is NOT lighting the light up, (the back break lights the light,) blinkers were working but very dim, headlight dim, no horn, no neutural light, and all of this stuff only works when the engine is running, sitting off with the key switch on it has no power to anything, The cut off switch still does its job, So, long story short, after a violent stop I have no power from the battery to anything sitting cold. Kick start it and the lights work a little bit, but all very dim, and my front brake does not light the brake light, starter button might as well not be there but the cut off works fine. What the hell happened?
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06-25-2011, 05:09 PM	#2
Wild_Alaskan Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Alaska Posts: 914	check the fuse and battery connections, the fuse should be in a plastic case near the positive battery lead __________________ Dune buggy build http://chinariders.net/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=14470 400cc lifan build vid: http://youtu.be/20HoU8OK_Y0 other fun: http://tinyurl.com/wildalaskan
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06-25-2011, 08:30 PM	#5
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Many of us have seen batterys fall out of Hondoids... __________________ Happy to serve.
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06-25-2011, 09:47 PM	#6
Wild_Alaskan Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Alaska Posts: 914	make sure the charger lead hasn't shorted with anything also, the frame is like a negative terminal as you probably already know __________________ Dune buggy build http://chinariders.net/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=14470 400cc lifan build vid: http://youtu.be/20HoU8OK_Y0 other fun: http://tinyurl.com/wildalaskan
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06-26-2011, 02:16 AM	#8
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I was thinking that the front brake switch failed, resulting in its inability to light the brake light, but you have too many other symptoms for that. That said, it is possible that you have two separate problems that could have you chasing your tail. For reference, there aren't many electrical components to be concerned with; you have a stator, a CDI, a regulator, a solenoid and a coil. Beyond that, it's all switches and wire. Attention dual sport riders: please chime in here. Does your headlight come on with the key only? The horn? The turn signals? The neutral light? Ideally we'd hear from Zong owners, but these circuits are likely common to all China bikes. Bennnn, have you tried using the electric start while applying the rear brake? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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06-25-2011, 07:07 PM	#4
Barnone Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,354	Try a new battery.
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06-25-2011, 10:41 PM	#7
bennnn Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 62	The battery is good, my charger checks it and when I plugged it in to see it read as being all good. The battery connections are good, and nothing is damaged or out of place, the charging lead I wired in had nothing to do with this, I ran it for several days after that, it has a cover that snaps over and into the contact posts and I have it tied up well away from the frame,,,,, Maybe if I re-explain somebody will have a better idea of where to look at this problem; I was running in third gear and had it revved up almost wound out about to shift up when I dumped it into first, grabbed the brake and then let the clutch go on accident, so it went from high third to first, I braked, let go of the clutch and it squealed pretty hard and then came to a hard dead stop. Is there some electrical thing to look at? I can do just about anything with a car or truck, but I've only owned this bike a week and never turned a bolt on a bike before changing the oil the other day.
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06-26-2011, 08:40 AM	#9
Barnone Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,354	You are saying that you can kick start but not start using the e start, right? If so, try jump starting the bike from your car battery. If it jump starts then you have a bad battery.
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06-27-2011, 12:58 AM	#10
bennnn Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 62	Weldandgrind, that is interesting, I hadnt tried to start it with the back brake depressed. But this afternoon I did just for S & G and all I got was a clicking noise that if it was a car I would have said was a soelniod, What sucks for me is that I can't get out to work on it at all untill tuesday, I'm sure it's something I can straighten out once I get to work on it, but the life, kids, wife, college, ect, have me tied up so bad that even though it's going to be 90something tomorrow I have to drive the dang car everywhere. I will say this, I think the posters above talking about the battery may have something. I have this snazzy charger I bought that is supposed to "sense" when the battery is charged, AND flash a special signal if the battery needs to be replaced........... As I posted above, I plugged it in yesterday and it said the battery was good, just low. Well, I left it on the dang charger all night, and this morning it still just said it was charging, not flashing that the battery was bad.. But, uhhhhh,, it should only take about 3-4 hours to get it fully charged right? I think maybe the battery has been physically damaged by this little incident, is that what you guys mean?
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06-27-2011, 01:32 AM	#14
Moonbloodsflow Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Central, Ohio Posts: 111	It's possible to have a bad battery and it meter out the correct voltage but when it's put under load it just craps out. That's exactly what happened with me. If the Zong is anything like the newer QLinks, the battery also acts as a capacitor from my research. So it sounds like a bad battery. My bike had pretty much the same symptoms and I tore it all apart checking all of the electrical only to find out it was the battery. It had me fooled because it kept metering the right voltage. Also, just my opinion, make sure when you're charging your battery you aren't charging it with a high amperage output. Use the lowest setting your battery charger has, ideally under 2 amps. Really 1/2 an amp or an amp would be better.
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06-27-2011, 02:06 AM	#15
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	It sounds like you really do have two problems then. The battery and the front brake switch conspired to drive you nuts. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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