engine codes

mizke · 08-19-2010, 01:53 AM

trying to figure out the motor in my quad..

done some research and it seems that lifan motors marked 163fml are 200cc motors where as lifan engines marked 167fml are 250cc..

im looking into buying a 250cc motor but dont want to end up buying the same cc motor that i have now.. my stamp on the frame of the quad says its a 200cc with a max power output of 10kw but the motor is marked 167fml..

Chonqing Sayin trade Co is the company that makes this atv, any one know where i can find out any other information on the motors that this company or kayok makes ? kayok is a sub division of Chonqing Sayin trade Co..

TurboT · 08-19-2010, 03:36 AM

I'd send a PM to forum member Oengus. He's done extensive research on these things and probably knows the answer, but not sure if he trolls the ATV part of the forum.

mizke · 08-19-2010, 03:52 AM

will do but i think found my answer.. according to this if i am understanding it zongshen is a sub of chongqin..

Zongshen, Inc. is a subsidiary company of the Chongqing Zongshen Motorcycle Group founded in 1992, composed of 52 totally-invested or share holding subsidiary companies (including share holding listed company). It has branches in Chongqing, Shangdong, Guangdong, Zhejiang, Hong Kong, USA, France, Indonesia, Vietnam, South Korea, and Cambodia to name a few.

Cal25 · 08-19-2010, 09:16 AM

Be aware that some "250's" are actually 230cc's in size.

cameron88 · 08-19-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mizke

trying to figure out the motor in my quad..

done some research and it seems that lifan motors marked 163fml are 200cc motors where as lifan engines marked 167fml are 250cc..

im looking into buying a 250cc motor but dont want to end up buying the same cc motor that i have now.. my stamp on the frame of the quad says its a 200cc with a max power output of 10kw but the motor is marked 167fml..

Chonqing Sayin trade Co is the company that makes this atv, any one know where i can find out any other information on the motors that this company or kayok makes ? kayok is a sub division of Chonqing Sayin trade Co..

I have seen the picture of your quad and you cant go by anything stamped on the frame as its already got a different motor, its not and original Gio. Looks to me like someone changed the motor and exhaust. Have a look at the picture of mine 2009 Gio Beast 200cc in the Bolt pattern thread to compair. The motor is not the same, and even your exhaust is different.
I could be wrong if its prior to 2008 but sure looks like its been changed to me.

Cameron

mizke · 08-19-2010, 01:32 PM

you cant get gio's in the states thats why it looks different.. t is how ever 99.9999999999% the same as a gio

TYE · 08-19-2010, 09:55 PM

i think youd be better off getting a used polaris 350 or whatever else might fit

mizke · 08-19-2010, 10:02 PM

gio sells a zongshen 250cc motor 5spd with out reverse for 485usd and then another 60ish for shipping.. if that does not work out with getting it through customs, then i will look into something else.. lifan has a dealer up in dallas called americanlifan so i might give them a call about tracking down a 250cc lifan

Oengus · 08-20-2010, 08:34 AM

Thatâ€™s a Yamaha type engine? 167fml 196cc and maybe it is bored out to larger displacements?

Sorry about the previous responseâ€¦.
I hadd not read your thread yetâ€¦.

but if it is stamped with that 167fml then its that or should be that type engine and yeah its possible they modify it up to larger displacements but I would think that it would have something that would be added to it like a letters or number?

What is the VIN on the ATV, that will identify who made it.

The zs167fmm is 229cc the first two letter signify who made it, they commonly call it a 250cc but it is not. Thats the engine in the GS250 sport bike.

the zs167fml is the engine used on the 200gy and its 196cc

Oengus · 08-20-2010, 08:55 AM

The zs167FMM is a CB engine OHC Honda type.

The zs167fml is a Yamaha engine same as in the TW200. OHC

The 163fml is offered in both CG (OHV) and CB (OHC) and if they are LF163fml then they are Lifan engines.
Lifan does not make a 167fml that I know ofâ€¦.but Zongshen makes a 163fml.

Oengus · 08-20-2010, 09:11 AM

http://www.sunlpartsonline.com/chine...c-p-10508.html

not cheap.....

mizke · 08-20-2010, 01:40 PM

this is everything on the stamp

167fml
85b200158

thats the only things i found stamped on to the motor

Oengus · 08-20-2010, 08:22 PM

is it something like these?

http://www.supermach.com/ATV250.htm

Oengus · 08-20-2010, 08:30 PM

maybe these people can help

http://www.motopartsmax.com/index.ph...ehicle/vID/457

I am going to guess that the 167fml is bored out to 229cc and they call it a 250cc.

Spud is very familar with that engine, he just rebuilt his top half.

Oengus · 08-20-2010, 08:37 PM

I would assume that a 196cc version would be more durable then a bored out version of it? I see both 200cc and 250cc ATVâ€™s stating a 167fml engine. The 250 is a bored out version to 229cc I would sayâ€¦.

That probably does not help much does it?

Whats the issue with the engine?

08-19-2010, 01:53 AM	#1
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	engine codes trying to figure out the motor in my quad.. done some research and it seems that lifan motors marked 163fml are 200cc motors where as lifan engines marked 167fml are 250cc.. im looking into buying a 250cc motor but dont want to end up buying the same cc motor that i have now.. my stamp on the frame of the quad says its a 200cc with a max power output of 10kw but the motor is marked 167fml.. Chonqing Sayin trade Co is the company that makes this atv, any one know where i can find out any other information on the motors that this company or kayok makes ? kayok is a sub division of Chonqing Sayin trade Co..
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08-19-2010, 03:36 AM	#2
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	I'd send a PM to forum member Oengus. He's done extensive research on these things and probably knows the answer, but not sure if he trolls the ATV part of the forum.
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08-19-2010, 03:52 AM	#3
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	will do but i think found my answer.. according to this if i am understanding it zongshen is a sub of chongqin.. Zongshen, Inc. is a subsidiary company of the Chongqing Zongshen Motorcycle Group founded in 1992, composed of 52 totally-invested or share holding subsidiary companies (including share holding listed company). It has branches in Chongqing, Shangdong, Guangdong, Zhejiang, Hong Kong, USA, France, Indonesia, Vietnam, South Korea, and Cambodia to name a few.
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08-19-2010, 09:16 AM	#4
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	Be aware that some "250's" are actually 230cc's in size.
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08-19-2010, 01:32 PM	#6
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	you cant get gio's in the states thats why it looks different.. t is how ever 99.9999999999% the same as a gio
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08-19-2010, 09:55 PM	#7
TYE Join Date: May 2010 Location: waterdown Posts: 90	i think youd be better off getting a used polaris 350 or whatever else might fit
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08-19-2010, 10:02 PM	#8
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	gio sells a zongshen 250cc motor 5spd with out reverse for 485usd and then another 60ish for shipping.. if that does not work out with getting it through customs, then i will look into something else.. lifan has a dealer up in dallas called americanlifan so i might give them a call about tracking down a 250cc lifan
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08-20-2010, 08:34 AM	#9
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	Thatâ€™s a Yamaha type engine? 167fml 196cc and maybe it is bored out to larger displacements? Sorry about the previous responseâ€¦. I hadd not read your thread yetâ€¦. but if it is stamped with that 167fml then its that or should be that type engine and yeah its possible they modify it up to larger displacements but I would think that it would have something that would be added to it like a letters or number? What is the VIN on the ATV, that will identify who made it. The zs167fmm is 229cc the first two letter signify who made it, they commonly call it a 250cc but it is not. Thats the engine in the GS250 sport bike. the zs167fml is the engine used on the 200gy and its 196cc
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08-20-2010, 08:55 AM	#10
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	The zs167FMM is a CB engine OHC Honda type. The zs167fml is a Yamaha engine same as in the TW200. OHC The 163fml is offered in both CG (OHV) and CB (OHC) and if they are LF163fml then they are Lifan engines. Lifan does not make a 167fml that I know ofâ€¦.but Zongshen makes a 163fml.
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08-20-2010, 09:11 AM	#11
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	http://www.sunlpartsonline.com/chine...c-p-10508.html not cheap.....
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08-20-2010, 01:40 PM	#12
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	this is everything on the stamp 167fml 85b200158 thats the only things i found stamped on to the motor
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08-20-2010, 08:22 PM	#13
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	is it something like these? http://www.supermach.com/ATV250.htm
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08-20-2010, 08:30 PM	#14
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	maybe these people can help http://www.motopartsmax.com/index.ph...ehicle/vID/457 I am going to guess that the 167fml is bored out to 229cc and they call it a 250cc. Spud is very familar with that engine, he just rebuilt his top half.
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08-20-2010, 08:37 PM	#15
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	I would assume that a 196cc version would be more durable then a bored out version of it? I see both 200cc and 250cc ATVâ€™s stating a 167fml engine. The 250 is a bored out version to 229cc I would sayâ€¦. That probably does not help much does it? Whats the issue with the engine?
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