Center Stand Install - Page 5

Adjuster · 08-03-2015, 07:12 PM

Fish thats really weird??? Maybe sheared some bolts and its slipping out of place? There is no logical reason why a center stand wouldn't work.

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fishman10 · 08-03-2015, 09:59 PM

look ,,all i can say is its on there ,still has the large pin with a c'clip on each end ,holding it on as normal,,,,, ,,but now it doesnt lift either end ,, im pretty sure hopping up on a curb an it striking it must have bent it upwards enough to cause this,, Oh an btw it stalled today ,on take off,, from a stop as i tried to give it gas , before even letting clutch out ,,so troubles continue...............

roots · 08-04-2015, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fishman10

now for some reason my csc centerstand doesnt lift either end off the ground so its worthless..Banged it off a curb one time ,,maybe that has something to do with it ,,but it looks the same.

I noticed the same thing with mine and I haven't hit a curb. Maybe slight "droop" in suspension? I only have about 350 miles on it so far, so it has been sitting on the stand quite a bit

One reason I got it was so I can have a few more inches of room in garage by having the bike vertical, but for lubing the chain I have to wedge a board under the swing arm to lift the back up just enough to spin the tire. Once I pull it out, both tires are just barely touching and I can't easily rotate either one.

fishman10 · 08-05-2015, 07:42 PM

yep,, mine is not bent either ,,but now it doesnt lift rear wheel ,,for lubing the chain,,which is why i spent $100 for it ,,,its useless so i jsut took it off.

Eco Mouse · 08-09-2015, 09:53 PM

Well, we have the answer to your Center Stand woes... check it out:

We added a leverage foot pad, and shortened the whole thing just a tad. It's now ready for prime time!

Here's video of how easy it is to get it up on the center stand. This is member K-Frost, she's only 5'8" and this is her first attempt.

Adjuster · 08-09-2015, 10:33 PM

It still looks like her rear tire is on the ground.

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Eco Mouse · 08-10-2015, 12:12 AM

On the shop floor there is 1/2" of clearance, and the tire spins freely. The asphalt in front of the shop is uneven. You didn't see it, but I did spin the wheel off camera, and it was barely scraping. For the production models we are going to add back in 1/4" extra to the legs.

But the point is really what we accomplished here. Was to move the center stand pivot point rearward so the bike's weight is distributed to the front tire, unlike the current center stand option. AND the fact that I got a woman to use the center stand, since a lot of Cyclone buyers might be of smaller stature, female or first time riders.

This was a successful project, and I'm really pleased with the way it came out!

woodlandsprite · 08-10-2015, 12:15 AM

EcoMouse, congrats on the development of the new center stand - I'm still struggling to be able to ge tmy bike up on the CSC center stand - wish I had waited to potentially purchase yours instead!

Eco Mouse · 08-10-2015, 12:30 AM

I know, I wish I could have finished sooner. This is still a labor of love, and really, just a side project. I still have a workshop and design studio to run, gotta pay the bills first, play later.

I aim to have these projects self funded, but this wasn't the case, as there really isn't a large enough market for the Cyclone just yet. Had I made up something for the Tiger or GS800, I'd have already sold out the first batch.

But we've got a weld jig already set-up, and all the pieces are dialed in, so we know what to cut, how long where it fits etc. All to avoid waste, so common in short production runs.

SpudRider · 08-10-2015, 01:37 AM

Congratulations on the successful design for the new centerstand, EM.

Have you determined a price for it?

Eco Mouse · 08-10-2015, 02:19 AM

Yes, all things considered, and it actually being made in USA and offering FREE Shipping... we feel $240 is a fair market price.

Not to mention, this is a low production item. I can only bust out 20 at a time with my shop's current capabilities.

fishman10 · 08-10-2015, 09:33 PM

dang ,,,the stock centerstand is useless now ,,an im way short on cash ,cause i just bought a hd wide glide,,, or id get one of your centerstands to try...if theres any interest ,,i will sell the stock centerstand ,,,,it is not bent as i had originally thought...

Inroads · 08-13-2015, 07:49 PM

Centerstand deployment is a mutha even when grabbing the crash bars which are hard to get but a couple of fingers around so....I'm thinking of mounting a rear peg upside down so when it pivots out I then would have a good grab handle to lift her up.

Inroads · 08-13-2015, 07:53 PM

New Centerstand looks easier than the stock one to deploy but man walking around to the right side to deploy sucks...There is a reason why all factory center stands deploy on the left.

Eco Mouse · 08-13-2015, 10:45 PM

What difference does it make which side the leverage arm is on? A center stand only gets used in uneven terrain when your bike is fully loaded, or when you are performing a rear wheel maintenance of some kind. You aren't going to deploy it every time you get off your bike, are you?

One thing that we found, is that with the kickstand down, on the left-hand side, it was sort of a safety catch so the bike wouldn't tip over while you were trying to get the bike balanced for your center stand deployment. A new rider, or a female could easily tip the bike beyond recovery when trying to get the bike perfectly upright.

And remember, the center stand solution I came up with was very specifically created to overcome a balance issue with the stock center stand. When deployed, the feet of the stock center stand pivot well beyond the bike's center of gravity. Mainly because the 250cc power plant isn't very heavy to begin with. Thus allowing a rearward bias, and difficult to use the center stand unless you are physically strong enough to lift the bike on your own anyway. This isn't a CSC issue, it's just an oversight at Zongshen at where and how to install a center stand mounting points.

In order to create the pivot in the correct place, the hinging action needs to be a certain point, taking into account where the feet will in up under the bike when fully deployed. Also, we don't want to lower the bike's clearance anymore than it actually is. Sooo... where the center stand ended up became a fight between the kickstand, the chain and the swing arm, all while trying to maintain at least a 12" wide footprint. A leverage arm on the left would have interfered with any one of those things.

Walking around to the other side every once in awhile is a small price to pay to have a strong stable footprint that is easier to operate than what already exists.

That being said, I'm open to further examining the design and function of my center stand. I'm not locked into any design. But as it stands, it seems as if there is zero interest in this and I've really just wasted my time, except for the 3 bikes this will end up on.

08-03-2015, 09:59 PM	#62
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	centerstand woes look ,,all i can say is its on there ,still has the large pin with a c'clip on each end ,holding it on as normal,,,,, ,,but now it doesnt lift either end ,, im pretty sure hopping up on a curb an it striking it must have bent it upwards enough to cause this,, Oh an btw it stalled today ,on take off,, from a stop as i tried to give it gas , before even letting clutch out ,,so troubles continue............... __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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08-05-2015, 07:42 PM	#64
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	centerstand woes yep,, mine is not bent either ,,but now it doesnt lift rear wheel ,,for lubing the chain,,which is why i spent $100 for it ,,,its useless so i jsut took it off. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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08-10-2015, 01:37 AM	#70
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Congratulations on the successful design for the new centerstand, EM. Have you determined a price for it? __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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08-10-2015, 09:33 PM	#72
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	centerstand woes dang ,,,the stock centerstand is useless now ,,an im way short on cash ,cause i just bought a hd wide glide,,, or id get one of your centerstands to try...if theres any interest ,,i will sell the stock centerstand ,,,,it is not bent as i had originally thought... __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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08-13-2015, 07:49 PM	#73
Inroads Join Date: May 2015 Location: Wimberley Texas Posts: 193	Centerstand deployment a bear. Centerstand deployment is a mutha even when grabbing the crash bars which are hard to get but a couple of fingers around so....I'm thinking of mounting a rear peg upside down so when it pivots out I then would have a good grab handle to lift her up.
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08-03-2015, 07:12 PM	#61
Adjuster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Deerfield Beach FL Posts: 1,410	Fish thats really weird??? Maybe sheared some bolts and its slipping out of place? There is no logical reason why a center stand wouldn't work. /
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08-09-2015, 09:53 PM	#65
Eco Mouse Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	Well, we have the answer to your Center Stand woes... check it out: We added a leverage foot pad, and shortened the whole thing just a tad. It's now ready for prime time! Here's video of how easy it is to get it up on the center stand. This is member K-Frost, she's only 5'8" and this is her first attempt.
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08-09-2015, 10:33 PM	#66
Adjuster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Deerfield Beach FL Posts: 1,410	It still looks like her rear tire is on the ground. /
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08-10-2015, 12:12 AM	#67
Eco Mouse Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	On the shop floor there is 1/2" of clearance, and the tire spins freely. The asphalt in front of the shop is uneven. You didn't see it, but I did spin the wheel off camera, and it was barely scraping. For the production models we are going to add back in 1/4" extra to the legs. But the point is really what we accomplished here. Was to move the center stand pivot point rearward so the bike's weight is distributed to the front tire, unlike the current center stand option. AND the fact that I got a woman to use the center stand, since a lot of Cyclone buyers might be of smaller stature, female or first time riders. This was a successful project, and I'm really pleased with the way it came out!
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08-10-2015, 12:15 AM	#68
woodlandsprite Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 366	EcoMouse, congrats on the development of the new center stand - I'm still struggling to be able to ge tmy bike up on the CSC center stand - wish I had waited to potentially purchase yours instead!
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08-10-2015, 12:30 AM	#69
Eco Mouse Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	I know, I wish I could have finished sooner. This is still a labor of love, and really, just a side project. I still have a workshop and design studio to run, gotta pay the bills first, play later. I aim to have these projects self funded, but this wasn't the case, as there really isn't a large enough market for the Cyclone just yet. Had I made up something for the Tiger or GS800, I'd have already sold out the first batch. But we've got a weld jig already set-up, and all the pieces are dialed in, so we know what to cut, how long where it fits etc. All to avoid waste, so common in short production runs.
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08-10-2015, 02:19 AM	#71
Eco Mouse Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	Yes, all things considered, and it actually being made in USA and offering FREE Shipping... we feel $240 is a fair market price. Not to mention, this is a low production item. I can only bust out 20 at a time with my shop's current capabilities.
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08-13-2015, 07:53 PM	#74
Inroads Join Date: May 2015 Location: Wimberley Texas Posts: 193	New Centerstand looks easier than the stock one to deploy but man walking around to the right side to deploy sucks...There is a reason why all factory center stands deploy on the left.
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08-13-2015, 10:45 PM	#75
Eco Mouse Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	What difference does it make which side the leverage arm is on? A center stand only gets used in uneven terrain when your bike is fully loaded, or when you are performing a rear wheel maintenance of some kind. You aren't going to deploy it every time you get off your bike, are you? One thing that we found, is that with the kickstand down, on the left-hand side, it was sort of a safety catch so the bike wouldn't tip over while you were trying to get the bike balanced for your center stand deployment. A new rider, or a female could easily tip the bike beyond recovery when trying to get the bike perfectly upright. And remember, the center stand solution I came up with was very specifically created to overcome a balance issue with the stock center stand. When deployed, the feet of the stock center stand pivot well beyond the bike's center of gravity. Mainly because the 250cc power plant isn't very heavy to begin with. Thus allowing a rearward bias, and difficult to use the center stand unless you are physically strong enough to lift the bike on your own anyway. This isn't a CSC issue, it's just an oversight at Zongshen at where and how to install a center stand mounting points. In order to create the pivot in the correct place, the hinging action needs to be a certain point, taking into account where the feet will in up under the bike when fully deployed. Also, we don't want to lower the bike's clearance anymore than it actually is. Sooo... where the center stand ended up became a fight between the kickstand, the chain and the swing arm, all while trying to maintain at least a 12" wide footprint. A leverage arm on the left would have interfered with any one of those things. Walking around to the other side every once in awhile is a small price to pay to have a strong stable footprint that is easier to operate than what already exists. That being said, I'm open to further examining the design and function of my center stand. I'm not locked into any design. But as it stands, it seems as if there is zero interest in this and I've really just wasted my time, except for the 3 bikes this will end up on.
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