Lifan KPT For Sale Now at Venom Motorsports!!

[rideoutadv]

The long awaited KPT 400 is finally here! I think that price is a little steep, but if it follows the trend of most other China bikes, it'll steadily become more and more affordable until it becomes a screamin deal. Hopefully this is only the beginning of a trend of these higher cc Chinabikes coming to the US.

https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/...0_qPg2_tBJkEuR

You can also find the spec sheet on the bike on Lifan's website.

[JerryHawk250]

Yes, I have the silver on preorder. I already have a thread in the adventure bike section.

[beerftw]

Specs wise it looks like an awesome bike, I just with it had been a little less robotic looking and a little more stylish like lifans other offerings.

[LowBrewTow]

Is this a joke? The price is within $100 of the new KTM 390 Adventure X coming out next month. I find it hard to justify this Lifan over that!!!

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by LowBrewTow

Is this a joke? The price is within $100 of the new KTM 390 Adventure X coming out next month. I find it hard to justify this Lifan over that!!!

By the time you add the $575 freight and $1500-$1800 panniers, the KTM will cost you way more. And don't forget about all those miscellaneous fees the dealership likes to add on. Been down that road too many times. The KPT is $5800 delivered to your door. Only additional cost is to TT&L

[Bruces]

What’s going to happen to KTM in the coming months might make it non exhistant anyways .Not looking good for them .

[ProDigit]

Originally Posted by beerftw

Specs wise it looks like an awesome bike, I just with it had been a little less robotic looking and a little more stylish like lifans other offerings.

490lbs sounds great to you?
The CFMoto 450 nk weighs only 385, 365 with some weight saving mods. I'm sure some cases don't add 100lbs of weight to it

[XLsior]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

By the time you add the $575 freight and $1500-$1800 panniers, the KTM will cost you way more. And don't forget about all those miscellaneous fees the dealership likes to add on. Been down that road too many times. The KPT is $5800 delivered to your door. Only additional cost is to TT&L

Exactly, it checks all the boxes a budget ADV/touring motorcycle needs.



For the price = BINGO!

[LowBrewTow]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

By the time you add the $575 freight and $1500-$1800 panniers, the KTM will cost you way more. And don't forget about all those miscellaneous fees the dealership likes to add on. Been down that road too many times. The KPT is $5800 delivered to your door. Only additional cost is to TT&L

That’s still within striking distance in my book. Factor in a 4 year warranty plus dealership network and aftermarket support that price premium starts to make sense imo. With KTMs financial restructuring we will probably see their 2025s going below MSRP. You’re already seeing it with their 2024 enduros (almost half off OTD!)

And I don’t mind bringing up KTM on here since CFMoto makes their bikes now

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by LowBrewTow

That’s still within striking distance in my book. Factor in a 4 year warranty plus dealership network and aftermarket support that price premium starts to make sense imo. With KTMs financial restructuring we will probably see their 2025s going below MSRP. You’re already seeing it with their 2024 enduros (almost half off OTD!)

And I don’t mind bringing up KTM on here since CFMoto makes their bikes now

The KPT comes with a 5 year factory warranty. All parts are available from the dealerships and American Lifan. There are over 100 dealerships across the US. I'm not seeing how $2000 + is close.

[Thumper]

Gotta say the KTM 390 Adv X weighs less, and has KTM engineering and build quality. Overall, a fantastic bike. Reviews of previous KTM adventure bikes have been very good overall. They've tried to keep them light. And I agree that parts and service won't vaporize. There is a well stocked KTM aftermarket supply network, along with all sorts of OEM parts clone suppliers.
I think it depends on whether you want to spend much time off the pavement.

[beerftw]

Originally Posted by ProDigit

490lbs sounds great to you?
The CFMoto 450 nk weighs only 385, 365 with some weight saving mods. I'm sure some cases don't add 100lbs of weight to it

Being lighter weight does is not what makes a better adv unless pure offroad or pure power to weight are your goal, in which an adv bike was never in that direction.

The adv bikes are more leaned towards touring bikes with a mix of offroad capability, more like a z71 chevy pickup vs a lifted jeep wrangler. Adv style bikes benefit from weight as it adds stability and comfort for highway cruising.

The converted numbers say around 44 hp, my cfmoto 650 adventura is 60 hp with sightly more weight, but it is beyond fast enough for highway use, i can exceed 100 mph without even coming close to stressing the power band, I imagine the kpt400 with how it is likely geared can easily and comfortable cruise the highway. Also my 650 adventura has a restrictor on the throttle I have not removed which would bring it to 73 hp by adding 1/4 extra twist, I have never bothered as it is plenty fast enough.

Weight on an adv is a good thing, it adds stability against wind, and makes it ride easier, yet they are still able to go offroad just not like an actual dirtbike or enduro but the market buying adv bikes want cruising bikes the can ride around the country, and have some offroad capability, it is a simple idea and weight is not a big factor unless you are a speed demon.

[Thumper]

Huh? Totally disagree... The whole point of adv/tour is in fact the ability to leave the pavement! Weight is definitely the enemy off the pavement. And you need more height and ground clearance.

If you want a touring bike, there are much better choices, where extra weight improves ride quality, ON the road. And the lower height of a touring bike makes it easier to touch the ground. Adv/tour bikes are a compromise, but extra weight makes them just dangerous off road. Ever pick up a 485lb bike after a fall? And if your adv/tour is heavier that weight is higher on the frame!

Weight, center of gravity, suspension travel, and yes, power to weight ratio-these are the key specs to pay attention to if you go for adv/tour.

[beerftw]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Huh? Totally disagree... The whole point of adv/tour is in fact the ability to leave the pavement! Weight is definitely the enemy off the pavement. And you need more height and ground clearance.

If you want a touring bike, there are much better choices, where extra weight improves ride quality, ON the road. And the lower height of a touring bike makes it easier to touch the ground. Adv/tour bikes are a compromise, but extra weight makes them just dangerous off road. Ever pick up a 485lb bike after a fall? And if your adv/tour is heavier that weight is higher on the frame!

Weight, center of gravity, suspension travel, and yes, power to weight ratio-these are the key specs to pay attention to if you go for adv/tour.

Being a comprimise an adv must be both, hence why adv bikes for the most part try and average around 500 pounds, not something just lifan is doing it is darn near an industry standard with ktm being the odd man out. The are designed to go offroad but still designed as touring primary, someone doing offroad primary would get an enduro and entirely offroad would get a dirt bike, the adv is more for the person wanting a touring bike with high ground clearance to go offroad when needed not to do extreme offroading.

Yes I have picked up more than a 485 pound bike, my 650 cfmoto adv weighs more than that, never dropped it in motion, but have dropped it once climbing on using the foot peg as a launch point while on uneven ground. That weight is not a problem for those seeking such bikes as heck it is still far lighter than any harley cruiser or japanese sport touring bike,

The weight is not an issue, the 500 pound area seems to be an industry standard, I have taken mine through rough terrain, on poorly managed dirt roads to the lake, and to my friends house whose driveway is dirt and so badly erroded it is more dangerous than many dirt tracks.

An adv will easily handle offroad but if your goal is ripping 40 mph through hills and tight corners or hopping ditches in the woods you should have gotten an enduro or a dirt bike,

[Thumper]

Then buy one. Don't let anyone convince you that weight is consequential on an ADV/tour bike.
My guess is that after a couple of adventures off the pavement, you will choose to stay on pavement. Especially if you have to replace broken parts. Hard pack maybe. But beware of sand or gravel

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ure+bike+heavy