Hawk DLX dies and won't start now

Sailor4809 · 04-05-2023, 09:31 AM

So ended up going on a ride last night around the city and bike took a crap on me. I've messaged TXPS this morning in hopes of getting a quick response as this is my daily and can't find anyone in Fort Wayne Indiana that will even touch a china bike. Below is a the email I sent. The oil was changed about 200 miles before to full synthetic, NGK plug, LED headlight recommended by someone on here. Other than that it's bone stock. Please help

Good morning,
I recently purchased a hawk DLX and was able to plate it the other day. Put a couple hundred miles on it between 3 days and on the way to work it died on me shifting from first to second after leaving a red light. I pulled off the side of the road and tried some easy troubleshooting but still dead.
I checked the spark plug and it appears normal (NGK, gapped to spec) and is not sparking (tested on frame bolt and by holding it while cranking), tried replacing it with the torch plug provided as well. When I turn on the ignition I do not hear the fuel pump priming with the kill switch in "run" position. The CEL light does not illuminate either with the key in like it used to either. When I use the electric start it does crank and getting compression.
Not sure what else to check and cannot find a place in Fort Wayne, Indiana that will look at Chinese bikes. Any insight or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

DanDLion · 04-05-2023, 04:10 PM

I am sure a lot more knowledgeable people will be around soon to help you out.

Just a thought that comes to mind is it would be good to check all wiring connections and wires in general (pinched or melted).

With your fuel pump not priming and no spark it sounds somewhat electrical. After your couple hundred miles on the bike perhaps something wiggled loose or was pinched or melted against the bike.

From my experience on the Templar, things are not necessarily routed the best way possible from the factory.

IdahoRider · 04-05-2023, 04:13 PM

It sounds like it could be an electrical connection or fuse. I came across this YouTube video a few months ago and that's what the problem was for this guy. (Problems starts at 12:30 minute mark).

Thumper · 04-05-2023, 08:16 PM

Oh crap. This sounds like the dreaded EFI troubleshooting problem...
But maybe not. Could just be a short.

But 1st. Check to verify that you have spark. And do you hear the fuel pump at key on? This isn't a compression issue, so it is either not firing, or the fuel isn't getting injected.

I am sorry but I am a carb user. EFI experts need to step up!

Sailor4809 · 04-06-2023, 03:43 AM

So looked at my fuses in the daylight and the 15a was blown. Going to try and see if that fixes everything.
Ill report back with findings in the morning.
To answer the questions: zero spark, key on fuel pump does not prime. It's like the kill switch is in kill position - nothing happens.

Thumper · 04-06-2023, 04:19 AM

Smart initial troubleshooting. The question then becomes what caused the overamperage?
And if it runs, you can carry a spare fuse, but still need to know what is drawing too much current.

Dandelions suggestion to closely inspect wiring is a good place to start. It will be great if you find a chafed wire. A bad component could be tougher to suss out.

Is the bike still under warranty?

Sailor4809 · 04-06-2023, 09:12 AM

Bikes under warranty.
So update. Plugged a new fuse in and started arcing before it was seated. Managed to get it in without blowing and started up, fuel pump primed and had spark. Reved it twice then blew fuse. Put another in and arced and blew before seating it. Third fuse I unplugged battery and put reconnected it, blown fuse.
This is the fuse box that's blowing. Any idea what it monitors? Stator my guess???

Sailor4809 · 04-06-2023, 09:15 AM

Fuse lit is the blown.
Disregard my gnaly nails, I work with enamel lol

Deckard_Cain · 04-06-2023, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor4809

Bikes under warranty.
So update. Plugged a new fuse in and started arcing before it was seated. Managed to get it in without blowing and started up, fuel pump primed and had spark. Reved it twice then blew fuse. Put another in and arced and blew before seating it. Third fuse I unplugged battery and put reconnected it, blown fuse.
This is the fuse box that's blowing. Any idea what it monitors? Stator my guess???

I don't know what that 15A fuse is in the circuit to.. is it labeled on a fuse box cover, or in the owners' manual? My guess is that it protects the fuel pump circuit.

Given that, the instant arcing and blowing tells us that it's a short in that circuit. I'd wager a wire in that circuit is probably pinched up against the frame and broke, shorting against the grounded frame.

I'd remove the seat, side panels, and fuel tank.. make sure you can see the wiring harness, and then I'd trace the wires on the back of the fuse box for that fuse position and follow it along until you find the short/break.

Once you do, a quick wire splice repair and you should be back in business.

Even though there is a warranty on the bike, honestly- we need to be able to diagnose and repair these on our own. As you noticed, most all shops don't want to touch them.

**JerryHawk250** · 04-06-2023, 09:21 AM

You might have a bare wire grounding against the frame. Check for pinched or smashed wires.

Sailor4809 · 04-06-2023, 10:07 AM

That's what I'm praying on is pinched wire or something like that. Currently waiting on a tow truck and probably have to wait until tomorrow morning to take seat and panels off, gently cut the wraps and wire chase. Would be way cheaper if I could rent a U-Haul pickup for $20 and pick it up myself but apparently my city doesn't believe in having them available

Sailor4809 · 04-06-2023, 10:10 AM

Any other ideas to check out are welcome.

Thank you all. This is a great community and surprised how quick I'm getting answers. I'll definitely do my part in keeping updates and let y'all know my findings

JimS · 04-06-2023, 11:16 AM

Since you mentioned that you did an upgrade to the headlight, I'd start there to make sure you didn't pinch a wire in that area. Might even disconnect the headlight and see if the fuse still blows.

Thumper · 04-06-2023, 12:48 PM

I thought I posted this...
Can you turn off the lights (just thinking to isolate the main lighting system in case that is where it is)?

Sailor4809 · 04-07-2023, 09:06 AM

Ok, side fairings are stripped along with seat and about to start pulling connections and plugging in until I find the culprit. Battery is still able to crank without fuse but still no FI or spark. All turning lights, head light functions, tail light, break lights work. Hit the headlight kill toggle and still sparking from fuse when I try to insert it. Do have the fancy light up fuses so once I get the right connection disconnected I should know where to chase. Unplugged Delphi connections and sparked from fuse so that gives me a little hope in it not being the FI system.
Might be a stupid question but where and what color is the ground wire on the bike?

04-05-2023, 09:31 AM	#1
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	Hawk DLX dies and won't start now So ended up going on a ride last night around the city and bike took a crap on me. I've messaged TXPS this morning in hopes of getting a quick response as this is my daily and can't find anyone in Fort Wayne Indiana that will even touch a china bike. Below is a the email I sent. The oil was changed about 200 miles before to full synthetic, NGK plug, LED headlight recommended by someone on here. Other than that it's bone stock. Please help Good morning, I recently purchased a hawk DLX and was able to plate it the other day. Put a couple hundred miles on it between 3 days and on the way to work it died on me shifting from first to second after leaving a red light. I pulled off the side of the road and tried some easy troubleshooting but still dead. I checked the spark plug and it appears normal (NGK, gapped to spec) and is not sparking (tested on frame bolt and by holding it while cranking), tried replacing it with the torch plug provided as well. When I turn on the ignition I do not hear the fuel pump priming with the kill switch in "run" position. The CEL light does not illuminate either with the key in like it used to either. When I use the electric start it does crank and getting compression. Not sure what else to check and cannot find a place in Fort Wayne, Indiana that will look at Chinese bikes. Any insight or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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04-05-2023, 04:13 PM	#3
IdahoRider Join Date: Aug 2022 Posts: 175	It sounds like it could be an electrical connection or fuse. I came across this YouTube video a few months ago and that's what the problem was for this guy. (Problems starts at 12:30 minute mark). __________________ 2022 Lifan KPX 250
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04-05-2023, 08:16 PM	#4
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,380	Efi ? Oh crap. This sounds like the dreaded EFI troubleshooting problem... But maybe not. Could just be a short. But 1st. Check to verify that you have spark. And do you hear the fuel pump at key on? This isn't a compression issue, so it is either not firing, or the fuel isn't getting injected. I am sorry but I am a carb user. EFI experts need to step up! __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it Last edited by Thumper; 04-06-2023 at 12:47 PM.
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04-06-2023, 04:19 AM	#6
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,380	Smart initial troubleshooting. The question then becomes what caused the overamperage? And if it runs, you can carry a spare fuse, but still need to know what is drawing too much current. Dandelions suggestion to closely inspect wiring is a good place to start. It will be great if you find a chafed wire. A bad component could be tougher to suss out. Is the bike still under warranty? __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it
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04-06-2023, 09:15 AM	#8
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	Fuse lit is the blown. Disregard my gnaly nails, I work with enamel lol Attached Thumbnails
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04-05-2023, 04:10 PM	#2
DanDLion Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Sonoran Desert, AZ Posts: 24	I am sure a lot more knowledgeable people will be around soon to help you out. Just a thought that comes to mind is it would be good to check all wiring connections and wires in general (pinched or melted). With your fuel pump not priming and no spark it sounds somewhat electrical. After your couple hundred miles on the bike perhaps something wiggled loose or was pinched or melted against the bike. From my experience on the Templar, things are not necessarily routed the best way possible from the factory.
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04-06-2023, 03:43 AM	#5
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	So looked at my fuses in the daylight and the 15a was blown. Going to try and see if that fixes everything. Ill report back with findings in the morning. To answer the questions: zero spark, key on fuel pump does not prime. It's like the kill switch is in kill position - nothing happens.
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04-06-2023, 09:12 AM	#7
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	Bikes under warranty. So update. Plugged a new fuse in and started arcing before it was seated. Managed to get it in without blowing and started up, fuel pump primed and had spark. Reved it twice then blew fuse. Put another in and arced and blew before seating it. Third fuse I unplugged battery and put reconnected it, blown fuse. This is the fuse box that's blowing. Any idea what it monitors? Stator my guess???
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04-06-2023, 09:21 AM	#10
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04-06-2023, 10:07 AM	#11
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	That's what I'm praying on is pinched wire or something like that. Currently waiting on a tow truck and probably have to wait until tomorrow morning to take seat and panels off, gently cut the wraps and wire chase. Would be way cheaper if I could rent a U-Haul pickup for $20 and pick it up myself but apparently my city doesn't believe in having them available
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04-06-2023, 10:10 AM	#12
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	Any other ideas to check out are welcome. Thank you all. This is a great community and surprised how quick I'm getting answers. I'll definitely do my part in keeping updates and let y'all know my findings
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04-06-2023, 11:16 AM	#13
JimS Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: New Mexico Posts: 81	Since you mentioned that you did an upgrade to the headlight, I'd start there to make sure you didn't pinch a wire in that area. Might even disconnect the headlight and see if the fuse still blows.
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04-06-2023, 12:48 PM	#14
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,380	I thought I posted this... Can you turn off the lights (just thinking to isolate the main lighting system in case that is where it is)? __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it
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04-07-2023, 09:06 AM	#15
Sailor4809 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 26	Ok, side fairings are stripped along with seat and about to start pulling connections and plugging in until I find the culprit. Battery is still able to crank without fuse but still no FI or spark. All turning lights, head light functions, tail light, break lights work. Hit the headlight kill toggle and still sparking from fuse when I try to insert it. Do have the fancy light up fuses so once I get the right connection disconnected I should know where to chase. Unplugged Delphi connections and sparked from fuse so that gives me a little hope in it not being the FI system. Might be a stupid question but where and what color is the ground wire on the bike?
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