01-03-2023, 03:56 PM | #1 |
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Weight: Gross vs net vs capacity
It appears that in regard to Chinese motorcycles, net weight equates to dry weight while gross weight equates to shipping weight. I hope that's correct. What about weight capacity? My Templar is rated for 441lbs capacity but while removing the stickers I found one on the swingarm that states "Max weight capacity is 176lbs for operator plus accessories".
Since I weigh 250lbs and bought based on the 441lb rating this is concerning. What do the weight capacity stickers on your Chinese bike say?
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According to my KPX specs. It 352 lbs.
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01-07-2023, 11:33 PM | #3 |
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Does anyone else have a weight capacity sticker on their china bike? I'm especially curious about the Templar M/X which should be rated for 440lbs of total passenger weight, per PSM specs.
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01-08-2023, 12:56 AM | #4 |
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Net Weight is another way of saying dry weight. The weight without fluids, people, or cargo.
On all types of vehicles, be they bikes, cars, trucks, etc. Gross Weight is the weight of the vehicle at maximum capacity. My VFR1200F has a Wet curb weight of 590lbs and a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 1021lbs. This means that it has a weight capacity of 431lbs. (GVWR - wet weight). Weight capacity is exactly what it sounds like. The amount of weight the manufacturer has rated the frame, suspension, wheels, and tires to handle in their current configuration. Many times the suspension tends to be the biggest limiting factor as they have to compromise for suspension travel sake. In some cases the tire size or wheel type will be the reason, or any other combination therein Lifan USA Lists the net weight of the KPX250 at 333lbs. 3 gallons of gasoline and a quart of oil weighs just a hair over 20lbs (20.06lbs). 333+20 = 353. 1lb off of the number Jerry has stated a few times between different posts. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the weight capacity of the KPX250 is at least the same as a Hawk 250, and a Hawk 250 is "rated" for 330lbs. I quoted the rated part because I know they can handle more. People are over thinking this weight thing between these two bikes. Two posts on the same subject... If you REALLY want to know, the best thing you could do is request information from the manufacturer. Lifan USA has a website and an e-mail. You can contact them and request more information.
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Capacity: 441 lbs Net: 232 lbs Gross: 278 lbs Sticker on swingarm: 176 lbs rider/gear max.
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GVWR, The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is the wet weight plus maximum capacity. In this instance your vehicles GVWR is 441 + 278 = 719lbs Again, I feel you are simply over thinking this.
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I suspect a possible typo at PSM. Why would the smaller framed, single-rider Templar have the same weight capacity as the heavier framed, two passenger Templar M/X? The numbers still don't add up but that's not unexpected from a Chinese manufacturer.
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"They may be leaving out or including other hardware for this given model, and the net refers to the base chassis. Wiring, lights, and other equipment could fall under the idea of "ready to ride" category if the model of bike has different trim levels, and this indicates your specific trim." That means not just gas and oil. You also seemed to miss or ignore, previous to that last bit, where I said, "Seeing a 46lb weight difference, while a bit heavy for a wet weight, isn't unreasonable." I will simply repeat myself one more time, and then I am done with this mess. You are over thinking this. They state capacity at 441lbs. That is not an unrealistic number for a motorcycle. The 176lb capacity you seem to be hung up on IS unrealistic. I am now finished replying to this thread. Figure it out from here if my answer is, for whatever reason, unsatisfactory to you.
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potato.... tomato.... don't take a china bike over any jumps.......
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Nothing inaccurate about what was said here lol.
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My data > your "feelings" Also, if you know so much, why make a post about your ignorance? "I don't know anything so please help me." Then reject fairly sound information. Give me a break.
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After all, they only differ by 265 lbs. What could go wrong? Thanks Dan! You're the best!
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