Loncin RE250 6 speed - Page 8

NzBrakelathes · 10-26-2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by duck9191

One should be the trigger coil and the other the ac voltage from the primary. Test with a dvm while turning it over, one should have ac voltage and the other pulsing resistance for the trigger coil.

3 yellow stator charge wires about 75v ac to reg
Blue white strip + of pickup
Green white strip - of pick up
The blue white goes to CDI left too the green white below it
Center CDI too is to coil below it is earth
2 pin plug top is kill switch or same as coil
Bottom is black 12v dc or if AC CDI it’s from stator red white stripe

84convertablegt · 10-27-2019, 02:14 PM

Well its in and running. Video link above. I think there is an issue though. Maybe you can help me confirm it for now. Im waiting on a new rear sprocket and chain because this engine requires the use of a 520 sprocket and chain. The shaft keyway is slightly larger. Anyway, I think the clutch might not be working. When i pull in the clutch the engine sprocket continues to turn, even if I try and stop it with my foot. Also the clutch handlebar lever feels too easy to pull compared to the hawk. Obviously without the chain connected I cant say for sure but I think it may be not working. I disconnected the cable and am manually moving the clutch lever on the case and same result. I have no idea what clutch is in this thing and have no idea where to start. If anyone has any advice Id appreciate it.

Douglass · 10-27-2019, 02:23 PM

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When i pull in the clutch the engine sprocket continues to turn, even if I try and stop it with my foot. Also the clutch handlebar lever feels too easy to pull compared to the hawk. Obviously without the chain connected I cant say for sure but I think it may be not working.

On my Apollo Rx250, if I let the bike sit for a week or two the clutch plates stick. Even when the the clutch is pulled the tire wont spin. What I have to do is hold the clutch lever, then physically spin the wheel/tire untli it lets go. Then it works like it should. It does take quite a bit of force to break it loose. Good job with the engine conversion. Glad to see you got it fired up, and it seems to be running very good.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-27-2019, 02:25 PM

sounds good. I think it will be okay. Clutch plates are probably just dragging and need to wear in place.

84convertablegt · 10-27-2019, 02:30 PM

Thank you both. Im hoping it will work itself out once its all together. We will see.

Armycopter · 10-27-2019, 03:05 PM

That is awesome!! Congratulations and great job. I agree with others, clutch plates are probably just stuck. I think you will be ok.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-29-2019, 09:34 AM

Are you planning on gutting the cat or a free flowing exhaust?

84convertablegt · 10-29-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

Are you planning on gutting the cat or a free flowing exhaust?

Yes. Already done.

84convertablegt · 10-31-2019, 07:35 PM

Well unfortunately after getting the new sprocket and chain on and trying to break it free, the clutch is still stuck "off" or engaged however you want to say it so I guess Im going to have to drain my brand new oil and remove the side cover tomorrow and see whats going on. Hopefully nothing major. 🤬

franque · 11-01-2019, 08:15 AM

Just put it on its side, you don't have to drain all of the oil out!

84convertablegt · 11-01-2019, 11:52 AM

https://i.imgur.com/NWS79Th.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ohbDcCp.jpg
Here is the clutch. Anyone know what kind it is? Im looking for torque specs on the pressure plate bolts. I know nothing about motorcycle clutches. Nothing obviously wrong to me. I was able to free up the plates. Requires a special tool? I do Not have to remove the clutch. I think its like a Honda.

duck9191 · 11-01-2019, 12:04 PM

move the clutch lever and see if the plates release, maybe they forgot the pushrod.

**JerryHawk250** · 11-01-2019, 01:05 PM

Looks like everything is there. You have a picture of the inside the cover? Like to see if everything is in place on the clutch lever.

Pressure plate bolt should be 9 lbf·ft. Tighten the lifter plate bolts in a crisscross pattern
in several steps.

84convertablegt · 11-01-2019, 01:17 PM

I made sure the discs werent seized, oiled everything and I put it all back together and it still doesnt work. Something is wrong with the whole thing. The lever just doesnt feel right. Im getting very frustrated. I even took apart the Hawk CG engine to compare and everything looks the same. The Hawk has a better 7 plate clutch stock though vs the 6 disc in the loncin. Ill try to get another pic of the case when i take it apart again.......

duck9191 · 11-01-2019, 01:20 PM

So when you start the bike it just tries to take off when you put it in gear?

10-27-2019, 02:14 PM	#107
84convertablegt Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 48	Well its in and running. Video link above. I think there is an issue though. Maybe you can help me confirm it for now. Im waiting on a new rear sprocket and chain because this engine requires the use of a 520 sprocket and chain. The shaft keyway is slightly larger. Anyway, I think the clutch might not be working. When i pull in the clutch the engine sprocket continues to turn, even if I try and stop it with my foot. Also the clutch handlebar lever feels too easy to pull compared to the hawk. Obviously without the chain connected I cant say for sure but I think it may be not working. I disconnected the cable and am manually moving the clutch lever on the case and same result. I have no idea what clutch is in this thing and have no idea where to start. If anyone has any advice Id appreciate it. __________________ 2019 Hawk 250 My Hawk 250 playlist on my Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...DWieLoSSddYvWk
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10-27-2019, 02:25 PM	#109
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,578	sounds good. I think it will be okay. Clutch plates are probably just dragging and need to wear in place. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-27-2019, 02:30 PM	#110
84convertablegt Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 48	Thank you both. Im hoping it will work itself out once its all together. We will see. __________________ 2019 Hawk 250 My Hawk 250 playlist on my Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...DWieLoSSddYvWk
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10-27-2019, 03:05 PM	#111
Armycopter Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Maine Posts: 98	That is awesome!! Congratulations and great job. I agree with others, clutch plates are probably just stuck. I think you will be ok. __________________ 2019 Bashan Brozz 250 2019 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000L
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10-29-2019, 09:34 AM	#112
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,578	Are you planning on gutting the cat or a free flowing exhaust? __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-31-2019, 07:35 PM	#114
84convertablegt Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 48	Well unfortunately after getting the new sprocket and chain on and trying to break it free, the clutch is still stuck "off" or engaged however you want to say it so I guess Im going to have to drain my brand new oil and remove the side cover tomorrow and see whats going on. Hopefully nothing major. 🤬 __________________ 2019 Hawk 250 My Hawk 250 playlist on my Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...DWieLoSSddYvWk
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11-01-2019, 08:15 AM	#115
franque Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Marseille, France -> Conakry, Guinea Posts: 1,481	Just put it on its side, you don't have to drain all of the oil out!
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11-01-2019, 11:52 AM	#116
84convertablegt Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 48	https://i.imgur.com/NWS79Th.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ohbDcCp.jpg Here is the clutch. Anyone know what kind it is? Im looking for torque specs on the pressure plate bolts. I know nothing about motorcycle clutches. Nothing obviously wrong to me. I was able to free up the plates. Requires a special tool? I do Not have to remove the clutch. I think its like a Honda. __________________ 2019 Hawk 250 My Hawk 250 playlist on my Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...DWieLoSSddYvWk
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11-01-2019, 12:04 PM	#117
duck9191 Join Date: May 2019 Location: Port Huron, Michigan Posts: 637	move the clutch lever and see if the plates release, maybe they forgot the pushrod. __________________ 2020 Triumph Tiger 900 rally. 2018 Bashan Storm 250. pz30b, digital cluster + gear indicator, unifilter and car customs full exhaust. 2019 Taotao 110b boulder atv. The "arm breaker" lol 2007 Honda VTX 1300R. 1974 Suzuki tm125, work in progress 2001 Suzuki Drz 400s.
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11-01-2019, 01:05 PM	#118
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,578	Looks like everything is there. You have a picture of the inside the cover? Like to see if everything is in place on the clutch lever. Pressure plate bolt should be 9 lbf·ft. Tighten the lifter plate bolts in a crisscross pattern in several steps. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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11-01-2019, 01:17 PM	#119
84convertablegt Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 48	I made sure the discs werent seized, oiled everything and I put it all back together and it still doesnt work. Something is wrong with the whole thing. The lever just doesnt feel right. Im getting very frustrated. I even took apart the Hawk CG engine to compare and everything looks the same. The Hawk has a better 7 plate clutch stock though vs the 6 disc in the loncin. Ill try to get another pic of the case when i take it apart again....... __________________ 2019 Hawk 250 My Hawk 250 playlist on my Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...DWieLoSSddYvWk
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11-01-2019, 01:20 PM	#120
duck9191 Join Date: May 2019 Location: Port Huron, Michigan Posts: 637	So when you start the bike it just tries to take off when you put it in gear? __________________ 2020 Triumph Tiger 900 rally. 2018 Bashan Storm 250. pz30b, digital cluster + gear indicator, unifilter and car customs full exhaust. 2019 Taotao 110b boulder atv. The "arm breaker" lol 2007 Honda VTX 1300R. 1974 Suzuki tm125, work in progress 2001 Suzuki Drz 400s.
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