2019 Magician-any better?

[coolwhip27]

Hey guys, I just started the journey onto chinese dualsports and this websites pretty useful. Not that it's always a good thing but i'm attracted to the cheapest, lol. I'm sure that's relatable here . I'm wondering if this "newer" RPS magician is any better than what it used to be? Or if it's even newer at all?

https://q9powersportsusa.com/collect...owersports-usa

I had totally put the magician aside when I heard about the weak frame issues or mountings coming loose and stuff falling apart real easy when you take er' offroad. Thats a real bummer, because I like the magician, especially for it's cheapness (not a word). And offroad is big to me, so.. Is it still a bad idea?

[imapdog]

prolly assembled in 2017 and sold in 2019.
i have had two and liked them, all street riding tho.

[2LZ]

None of these bikes change much over the years and as imapdog says, they're probably older stock remarketed.

[Sport Rider]

be cautious related to your off-road interest. they are not going to take as much punishment as mainstream bikes. also will require more attention to maintenance for longevity. things such as bearings and greasing will need to be looked at closely. if you're into jumping and harder MX styles, I would not go the CB route myself. I used my Hawk for off-road old-guy riding. basically, gravel forest service roads, two-track forest service roads, and some roots/rocks mixed in. the important thing about CBs is that you understand their limitations and can accept that. if not, you may have a poor experience with them. YMMV

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Sport Rider

be cautious related to your off-road interest. they are not going to take as much punishment as mainstream bikes. also will require more attention to maintenance for longevity. things such as bearings and greasing will need to be looked at closely. if you're into jumping and harder MX styles, I would not go the CB route myself. I used my Hawk for off-road old-guy riding. basically, gravel forest service roads, two-track forest service roads, and some roots/rocks mixed in. the important thing about CBs is that you understand their limitations and can accept that. if not, you may have a poor experience with them. YMMV

What he said.

[coolwhip27]

Originally Posted by Sport Rider

be cautious related to your off-road interest. they are not going to take as much punishment as mainstream bikes. also will require more attention to maintenance for longevity. things such as bearings and greasing will need to be looked at closely. if you're into jumping and harder MX styles, I would not go the CB route myself. I used my Hawk for off-road old-guy riding. basically, gravel forest service roads, two-track forest service roads, and some roots/rocks mixed in. the important thing about CBs is that you understand their limitations and can accept that. if not, you may have a poor experience with them. YMMV

Right, thanks for the reminder. I was thinking i'd just be doing light to mid-aggressive trail riding and not jumping but it does kinda suck to be limited in that regard. That apollo db36 looks suitable for some offroad abuse but nothing like jumping obviously. I would think that some are better than others

[timcosby]

im going against the grain.... i have personally only seen one report that had a weld crack. maybe they are all cracking but i havent personally seen a whole bunch of reports only the one. as in all things internety it goes thru 1000 upgrades and at the end of the month they are all cracking and falling apart just as one person mentions his brakes are spongy so the brake fluid from china is crap and now everyone must change it before riding or you will die! nothing wrong with the brake fluid ive been using the same oem since 2016 stops on a dime. rant over carry one. oh wait....disassemble the whole thing when you get it and reassemble

[brianjmt]

The magician well it just looks cheap and like it will break if you just touch it. Has to be the ugliest bike I have ever laid eyes on. LOL

[Sport Rider]

Originally Posted by coolwhip27

Right, thanks for the reminder. I was thinking i'd just be doing light to mid-aggressive trail riding and not jumping but it does kinda suck to be limited in that regard. That apollo db36 looks suitable for some offroad abuse but nothing like jumping obviously. I would think that some are better than others

I don't have a lot of experience with many other models, but these bottom dollar ones may not work, however, the ones that are mid-priced could be a good option. At least you're in the right place to get some feedback on different models!

[Sport Rider]

Originally Posted by timcosby

im going against the grain.... i have personally only seen one report that had a weld crack. maybe they are all cracking but i havent personally seen a whole bunch of reports only the one. as in all things internety it goes thru 1000 upgrades and at the end of the month they are all cracking and falling apart just as one person mentions his brakes are spongy so the brake fluid from china is crap and now everyone must change it before riding or you will die! nothing wrong with the brake fluid ive been using the same oem since 2016 stops on a dime. rant over carry one. oh wait....disassemble the whole thing when you get it and reassemble

mine never cracked either. I don't see that as the problem. it's more the small things that you have to keep an eye on. for example, at 1500 miles, my swingarm pivot was worn out. wheel and triple tree bearings wearing. cheap metal and if replaced with some better ones might be just fine. I just see the Hawk as more of a utility bike than a dirt bike. but hey...just my experience with it. I still loved the bike for what it was. I suspect the CSC bike might be a bit better, or the dirt bikes in the $2500 range. still good deals even at those prices if their quality is a bit better.

[pete]

Originally Posted by timcosby

im going against the grain.... i have personally only seen one report that had a weld crack. maybe they are all cracking but i havent personally seen a whole bunch of reports only the one. as in all things internety it goes thru 1000 upgrades and at the end of the month they are all cracking and falling apart just as one person mentions his brakes are spongy so the brake fluid from china is crap and now everyone must change it before riding or you will die! nothing wrong with the brake fluid ive been using the same oem since 2016 stops on a dime. rant over carry one. oh wait....disassemble the whole thing when you get it and reassemble

Yes yes yes..... At last someone who can think for him self...


PS.. don't for get the shiping oil..... that they don't tell you to replace so you stuff the motor and give them a bad "worse " name.... and lots of warranty claims...
I mean why wouldn't a company set themselves up to lose all credibility by putting oil in the motor to reduce its life..

The oil and brake fluid stories are out there now so I
suppose it is a piece of mind thing in a lot of cases..




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[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by coolwhip27

Right, thanks for the reminder. I was thinking i'd just be doing light to mid-aggressive trail riding and not jumping but it does kinda suck to be limited in that regard. That apollo db36 looks suitable for some offroad abuse but nothing like jumping obviously. I would think that some are better than others

There is a world of differance between use and abuse. The Hawk is capable of mildly aggressive single tracking, including jumps. That's assuming you've lock tighted the bolts and nuts, installed new tubes, changed the fork oil, and keep the spokes tight. For most riders that have responsibilities, like wives, children, jobs, and you have some mechanical skills, the Hawk is fine. You don.t have to be limited in jumping, of course. All you have to do is spend 5 to 7 times more money and then you won't be limited in jumping ability...ARH

[mybike]

Originally Posted by brianjmt

The magician well it just looks cheap and like it will break if you just touch it. Has to be the ugliest bike I have ever laid eyes on. LOL

I agree.

[linemanxxlog]

Originally Posted by mybike

I agree.

Big flex.

After riding both the magician and the hawk it cracks me up that anyone thinks one is better than the other for any reason other than what fits their height.

[mybike]

Originally Posted by linemanxxlog

Big flex.

After riding both the magician and the hawk it cracks me up that anyone thinks one is better than the other for any reason other than what fits their height.

Thats my bike above lol. I love my Magician. Was out today with friends for a little ride, they all have Harleys and they like my Magician. They can't get over I paid 1200.00 for it. Most of them paid twice that price just for their front wheel and tire lol.