Hypothetical Motorswap Questions

Jblue · 01-18-2016, 10:44 PM

So I'm working on a Kazuma project that caused me to totally gut the motor.I found a perfect replacement. Kickstart- semi-auto 4 gear.With NO ELECTRIC STARTER. Just how I want it. My idea was to gut all the electrical on the quad completely. So if my calculations are correct, I should just need the engine to run to the CDI, to run to the Ignition Coil, to the Spark Plug Boot. Right? O.o Let me know if anyone has any advice. I've got the fram broken down now to repaint and I can't wait to throw up some photos.

bogieboy · 01-19-2016, 09:06 AM

you will still want the key or kill (or both) switch hooked up so you can shut the motor off... other than that, yeah, no electrical other than that needed....

Jblue · 01-19-2016, 10:36 AM

Thanks I appreciate the heads up. Never thought far enough as to how I'd get the motor off. Do you have a particular motor you'd reccomend? I'm thinking of a Lifan 125cc semiauto. Seems like it should have enough muscle to drag me or my boys.

Weldangrind · 01-19-2016, 10:39 AM

You want to run this motor is a quad? That'll be tough with a kick start.

Jblue · 01-19-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

You want to run this motor is a quad? That'll be tough with a kick start.

Yes, it's a Kazuma 4 wheeler. The only problem I thinkI might have is fitting the kickstarter in. What trouble do youthink?

Jblue · 01-19-2016, 10:54 AM

http://tboltusa.com/store/black-lifa...FYElgQodiJ4Paw
This is what I was thinking. Just worried if the Kickstart will have enough room in the frame to be actuated. If not hopefully there is an extension available.

Weldangrind · 01-21-2016, 10:25 AM

That's exactly my concern. I doubt that there will be a way to start the engine with the kicker. Electric is much easier on a quad.

Any trikes or quads in the past that have had a backup have always used a pull start.

Jblue · 01-24-2016, 12:16 PM

Well the exhaus won't be my problem, as is normally blocking the kicker in these kinds of swaps. I know I will have to trim the plastic a little bit but it'llfit fine. I used the old, locked up lifan 110 as reference and simply held a kickstarter from another project where it would be. Now, I know the electrical would be easier. But for the type of application I'm putting this towards I just don't want to deal with another wire! The original harness was FUBAR

Bruce's · 01-24-2016, 01:22 PM

The exhaust really isn't too much of the issue ,it's your foot on the kicker traveling through its stroke running into the rear tire ,foot rests and brake pedal .Back in the day there were a few trikes and quads with kickers ,often they would kick in a foreword motion because of the real estate issues ,the ones with standard kickers were generally racing models with wider rear ends ,and some had the kicker mounted foreword on the crankshaft .If your hell bent on a kicker ,you might wish to order an engine with both a kicker and an electric starter in case it doesn't work out with the kicker only .

01-18-2016, 10:44 PM	#1
Jblue Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 10	Hypothetical Motorswap Questions So I'm working on a Kazuma project that caused me to totally gut the motor.I found a perfect replacement. Kickstart- semi-auto 4 gear.With NO ELECTRIC STARTER. Just how I want it. My idea was to gut all the electrical on the quad completely. So if my calculations are correct, I should just need the engine to run to the CDI, to run to the Ignition Coil, to the Spark Plug Boot. Right? O.o Let me know if anyone has any advice. I've got the fram broken down now to repaint and I can't wait to throw up some photos.
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01-19-2016, 10:39 AM	#4
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	You want to run this motor is a quad? That'll be tough with a kick start. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-21-2016, 10:25 AM	#7
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	That's exactly my concern. I doubt that there will be a way to start the engine with the kicker. Electric is much easier on a quad. Any trikes or quads in the past that have had a backup have always used a pull start. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-19-2016, 09:06 AM	#2
bogieboy Join Date: May 2013 Location: finger lakes NY Posts: 2,061	you will still want the key or kill (or both) switch hooked up so you can shut the motor off... other than that, yeah, no electrical other than that needed....
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01-19-2016, 10:36 AM	#3
Jblue Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 10	Thanks I appreciate the heads up. Never thought far enough as to how I'd get the motor off. Do you have a particular motor you'd reccomend? I'm thinking of a Lifan 125cc semiauto. Seems like it should have enough muscle to drag me or my boys.
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01-19-2016, 10:54 AM	#6
Jblue Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 10	http://tboltusa.com/store/black-lifa...FYElgQodiJ4Paw This is what I was thinking. Just worried if the Kickstart will have enough room in the frame to be actuated. If not hopefully there is an extension available.
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01-24-2016, 12:16 PM	#8
Jblue Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 10	Well the exhaus won't be my problem, as is normally blocking the kicker in these kinds of swaps. I know I will have to trim the plastic a little bit but it'llfit fine. I used the old, locked up lifan 110 as reference and simply held a kickstarter from another project where it would be. Now, I know the electrical would be easier. But for the type of application I'm putting this towards I just don't want to deal with another wire! The original harness was FUBAR
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01-24-2016, 01:22 PM	#9
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	The exhaust really isn't too much of the issue ,it's your foot on the kicker traveling through its stroke running into the rear tire ,foot rests and brake pedal .Back in the day there were a few trikes and quads with kickers ,often they would kick in a foreword motion because of the real estate issues ,the ones with standard kickers were generally racing models with wider rear ends ,and some had the kicker mounted foreword on the crankshaft .If your hell bent on a kicker ,you might wish to order an engine with both a kicker and an electric starter in case it doesn't work out with the kicker only .
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