Noooo, speede wont start :( - Page 2

bronevaya · 10-25-2007, 10:11 PM

sorry, ive been working late and the weather has been terrible so I havent given it a shot yet.

It couldnt be the battery, everything else works, lights, horn, starter, etc.

parallax · 10-25-2007, 10:31 PM

i never said the battery...i said the cables that attach to the battery...

like the cable going to ignition...worth a look...

bronevaya · 10-25-2007, 11:02 PM

I will take a look, but that shouldnt effect the kick start would it? because it wouldnt start with that ether.

mrhyak · 10-25-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

I will take a look, but that shouldnt effect the kick start would it? because it wouldnt start with that ether.

Take your sparkplug out, leave it attached to the wire with the metal part touching the engine and see if you have a spark in the gap when you hit the starter. If that is good, see if the plug is wet? If not, check to make sure gas is getting to the carb. Spark and Gas, it is the 2 basic things to check because if it doesn't start it is usually one of those two things.

TeamCheap · 10-26-2007, 06:03 AM

Make sure you have fuel in it and try to start it and then remove the spark plug and let us know how it looks (wet/dry-?)

Buy a new plug and gap it and check for spark while changing it and try starting it.(even if the old plug sparked try a new one)

Be very careful with checking for spark with the plug out and up against the engine it could ignite fuel as you crank it over.

If the plug is bone dry and has spark and the bike fires up with starting fluid then you have a fuel problem.

Also there is a small philips screw on the bottom of the carb and there is a small hose near it, if you back that screw out a little you will get fuel running out of the carb.(just an easy way to see if fuel is in the float bowl)

katoranger · 10-26-2007, 09:59 AM

You need to do the carb mod. I start my bike on 40 degree mornings using the choke and no throttle. It starts and idles just fine with the clip set to the second notch from the end.

Also you may need to turn the idle up a bit to keep it from dying at intersections.

Allen

red2003 · 10-26-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by katoranger

You need to do the carb mod. I start my bike on 40 degree mornings using the choke and no throttle. It starts and idles just fine with the clip set to the second notch from the end.

Also you may need to turn the idle up a bit to keep it from dying at intersections.

Allen

What he said................

bronevaya · 10-26-2007, 12:41 PM

ok, i promise to do the mod this weekend when i finally have time to myself

but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.

culcune · 10-26-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.

That seems about par for the course. When you need the electric start, it won't work, and sometimes, miraculously, the bike starts on first kick; later the electric start works! 8O

red2003 · 10-26-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

ok, i promise to do the mod this weekend when i finally have time to myself

but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.

Sounds like the starter might be dragging to much juice. If it is, sometimes it takes too much power away from the coil and a weak spark wont fire the bike cold. The carb mod wont fix this issue, but it will make it start without using throttle which is asking for a flooding issue.

AZ200cc · 10-26-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by red2003

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

ok, i promise to do the mod this weekend when i finally have time to myself

but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.

Sounds like the starter might be dragging to much juice. If it is, sometimes it takes too much power away from the coil and a weak spark wont fire the bike cold. The carb mod wont fix this issue, but it will make it start without using throttle which is asking for a flooding issue.

Good point

bronevaya · 10-26-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by red2003

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

ok, i promise to do the mod this weekend when i finally have time to myself

but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.

Sounds like the starter might be dragging to much juice. If it is, sometimes it takes too much power away from the coil and a weak spark wont fire the bike cold. The carb mod wont fix this issue, but it will make it start without using throttle which is asking for a flooding issue.

how would this be remedied? the starter issue

red2003 · 10-27-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

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Originally Posted by red2003

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Originally Posted by bronevaya

ok, i promise to do the mod this weekend when i finally have time to myself

but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.

Sounds like the starter might be dragging to much juice. If it is, sometimes it takes too much power away from the coil and a weak spark wont fire the bike cold. The carb mod wont fix this issue, but it will make it start without using throttle which is asking for a flooding issue.

how would this be remedied? the starter issue

This condition usually happens in an engine with a lot of miles where the starter bushings are worn and the inerds take a lot of power to turn. The remedy is a new starter, but don't go buying anything yet. The carb mod is free. Start with that and see what you get.

bronevaya · 10-29-2007, 05:45 PM

so i havent had much time, but the bike seems to be fine now

i didnt do t he carb mod, but, the bike:

starts on starter with choke and idles with no need on throttle
starts on kick start
drives fine now

I dont know what the problem could have been, but everything seems to be back to normal

red2003 · 10-30-2007, 07:40 AM

Just the fear of being torn apart was enough to make it comply! Good to hear.

10-25-2007, 10:31 PM	#17
parallax Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Western Mass, The Berkshires Posts: 162	i never said the battery...i said the cables that attach to the battery... like the cable going to ignition...worth a look... __________________ Alex Ride On!! www.zengineering.cjb.net DB-P12 Shineray Speedee 200 169LFM
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10-26-2007, 09:59 AM	#21
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	You need to do the carb mod. I start my bike on 40 degree mornings using the choke and no throttle. It starts and idles just fine with the clip set to the second notch from the end. Also you may need to turn the idle up a bit to keep it from dying at intersections. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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10-30-2007, 07:40 AM	#30
red2003 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Vermont, USA Posts: 1,242	Just the fear of being torn apart was enough to make it comply! Good to hear. __________________ First Chinabike: 2006 Roketa RSX200E Current Chinabikes: 2023 Titan DLX & 2022 Lifan KP Mini w/ 210cc BRT kit, 22 RWHP!
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10-25-2007, 10:11 PM	#16
bronevaya Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	sorry, ive been working late and the weather has been terrible so I havent given it a shot yet. It couldnt be the battery, everything else works, lights, horn, starter, etc.
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10-25-2007, 11:02 PM	#18
bronevaya Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	I will take a look, but that shouldnt effect the kick start would it? because it wouldnt start with that ether.
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10-26-2007, 06:03 AM	#20
TeamCheap Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: directly under the earths sun............NOW Posts: 2,302	Make sure you have fuel in it and try to start it and then remove the spark plug and let us know how it looks (wet/dry-?) Buy a new plug and gap it and check for spark while changing it and try starting it.(even if the old plug sparked try a new one) Be very careful with checking for spark with the plug out and up against the engine it could ignite fuel as you crank it over. If the plug is bone dry and has spark and the bike fires up with starting fluid then you have a fuel problem. Also there is a small philips screw on the bottom of the carb and there is a small hose near it, if you back that screw out a little you will get fuel running out of the carb.(just an easy way to see if fuel is in the float bowl)
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10-26-2007, 12:41 PM	#23
bronevaya Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	ok, i promise to do the mod this weekend when i finally have time to myself but, before going to work this morning I kick started it and it ran just fine, i have to give her some throttle with the choke open at first, but then she runs fine. after she is warmed up electric start works.
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10-29-2007, 05:45 PM	#29
bronevaya Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	so i havent had much time, but the bike seems to be fine now i didnt do t he carb mod, but, the bike: starts on starter with choke and idles with no need on throttle starts on kick start drives fine now I dont know what the problem could have been, but everything seems to be back to normal
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