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08-12-2024, 07:45 AM | #1 |
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Just got a XPro Templar 250X
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I just got a XPro Templar X 250 in about 3 - 4 days a go, (HERE is some pic's no fairings. https://imgur.com/a/pWoAoFG ) it runs okay out of the box and all but have a bit of a issue to where when even hot if you give it the gas it dies. If I play with the idler screw it some what fix's but then when I got to stop and the moto is hot its at like 3k RPM's. How I found that if you play with the cable adjustment screw on The Handlebar it helps a bit more but it still brings up my idol toy about 2k. Yes I have seen most of the guides on here but I just feel like they don't answer my question so 1. Is this common Behavior out of the box 2. Do I need to rejet the carb or crack it open and adjust something 3. Best to just replace the carb ?? Other: The headlight is trash does anyone have any suggestions on how to make it better or replacement? edit:( All lights on the XPro Templar X 250 come LED ) Thanks.
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08-12-2024, 07:50 AM | #2 |
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I replaced all bulbs with LED's, much better and cheaper/easier than buying new headlight/blinkers/tail light.
So if you roll on the throttle, it's fine, but if you crack it hard to like half or full, it dies, right? Welcome to the CG250 4 stroke life. You can make it better, but it's not gonna run like a 2 stroke. Think of these motors like a 223cc/249cc lawn mower engine.
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08-12-2024, 09:04 AM | #3 |
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It's jet too lean. We had the same issue with my son's Temp X (and most china bikes, frankly). Remove the carb, grind off the two break-off bolts that hold the bowl on, replace the pilot and main jets. Links to "how to" in the Templar resource thread. Look in the 4th post.
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amazon.com/ X-PRO Templar X 250cc 6 Speed Dirt Bike My head light fix for now, BEFORE https://imgur.com/CsZ04Vr AFTER https://imgur.com/gppGlau at some point I will be getting this: https://www.cyclegear.com/parts/poli...ku_id=10139913 Quote:
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This is what I was thinking to myself, and I did read your ports you made in the New Member Introductions about rejetting the carb. I am looking for the "How to" Now.
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08-12-2024, 03:16 PM | #5 | |
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08-12-2024, 10:46 AM | #6 |
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I bought a jet kit for mine before it was even delivered. It was REALLY lean as delivered and richening the jets is the first thing I did after assembly.
I found the headlight astoundingly bad. So bad my pocket flashlight put out more light. Some people have changed the entire headlight but I found just putting in a decent bulb worked fine for me. It now puts out more useful light than my other bikes. What buld I used is in the resource thread. I think. Somewhere on here anyway.
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08-12-2024, 10:54 AM | #7 |
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Here is a link to the Templar Resource Guide
https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=32177 Lots of useful info there. That YouAll carb that comes with your bike is actually a good match (28PE style). Rejetting it will cost under $10 and should be good to go. You can always get a new carb, but unless you do airbox mods and open up the exhaust side, there isn't any reason to go to a 30PE. It won't improve performance by itself and the 28 is a better match on all three circuits (pilot, needle and WOT/main). The OEM carb works well at low elevation with these changes: Original 120 main, 40 pilot installed 125 main, 42 pilot (or 45 in hot weather, low elevation like the Fort Worth area). About 1-1/2" turns out on the airscrew (drill out the cover to access the airscrew).
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Again, I've been to hell and back. I went to the Nibbi, and it was still doing it. I tried every needle position and many jets. The Nibbi needle is weird. I went to the Keihin JJH needle and that is what I'm running now and what you see in the vid. Still has the issue, but WAY better. Maybe there is some vastly superior edge between the Templar motor and the Hawk motor, but I doubt it. It comes down to fuel delivery at the moment of cracking the throttle, and the bike starves for fuel and dies. Pretty simple and straight forward.
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I would suggest increasing the main jet by at least 4 sizes. The OEM PZ30, or PZ30 from Amazon or Alibaba, comes with a 95, 100 or 105 main, and a 38 pilot. I would try at least a 110-115 main. The 38 pilot may be lean, but can be riched out with enriching the main and adjusting the AF screw. Then from there see if you need to increase the needle jet. The ones from Amazon or AliExpress have a 5 position clip. I raised mine by 1.5 (clip one down, and a small washer underneath, as 2 slots was too rich for me). If you are able to adjust the stock carburetor (remove the tamper proof screws), you can always stack 2 or 3 washers under the clip, since the stock carb jet needle will more than likely not have any adjustment grooves on it. |
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Again, the issue is in the needle. And unless you go with a carb that has an accelerator pump, it will STILL die if you crack it open too hard. The End.
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08-13-2024, 10:56 AM | #12 | |
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Raising the needle, will richen the mids, but there's still a chance the top end will be lean, as it DOES NOT richen 75-100% of throttle. Once you rejet the main, there might be a chance the mids might be rich, due to the needle being raised before the rejet, and you'll have to lower the needle again. Hence, after idle, jet the main, then as a last step adjust the needle height. Raising the needle will depend on what intake and exhaust he will run. |
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08-13-2024, 06:32 AM | #14 |
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Dano is correct about the needle. But it is easy to adjust in the Youall carb. Look at post #5 in the Templar resource guide sticky. Bump the jets and shim the needle, also drill out the EPA cover over the airscrew behind the tower on the right side. Adjust it to about 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 turns out.
It is an airscrew, so opening it makes it leaner. If you are waiting for jets, close down that screw to make it more rich until you get them. And you can shim the needle without even removing the carb! It's described it post #5 in the sticky
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