new to me 200? (aka, should I buy this)

Jim · 07-05-2009, 05:02 AM

Found this on my evening craigslist hunt, I think I should go have a look...

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/mcy/1253997689.html

Reveeen · 07-05-2009, 10:38 AM

http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/norman.htm

Interesting, and truly an "orphan", papers.......gotta come with papers.

Jim · 07-05-2009, 10:49 AM

Reveen, thanks, that is about all the information I could really find about it too

Papers would be ideal, I'll give the guy a call and see, but there is a way to "retrieve" registration with ICBC here, it's a long process and costs a bit of money... And if the previous registered owner says "hey thats mine, it was stolen!", I am pretty sure you loose the bike...

Reveeen · 07-05-2009, 11:17 AM

It is only lately that getting papers has become a real PITA, so much so, that if whatever I am buying doesn't have papers my interest is pretty close to 0. I guess it has to do with my lack of patience (or maybe my blood pressure) because I really am not interested in being treated like cattle (standing in line only to find the rules have changed since last time) and suspected of stealing something (and treated like I stole it). Then, once you have the thing figured out, you must pay a dealer for an appraisal, because it isn't in the wholesale book, or they can't be bothered to find it, and my main goal in life is cheating the government out of their tax money, so again, I am treated like a criminal. So, unless I am parting something out, if you wish to sell me something it has papers.

http://www.normancycles.co.uk/

AZ200cc · 07-05-2009, 11:42 AM

Sure would be a great addition to a collection though......That is cheap.

Jim · 07-05-2009, 11:52 AM

Sounds like it is even worse in your area 8O It is mostly done through the mail here... I did it not long ago for a 73 honda 350 that had been sitting in my parents barn for years... It was a long drawn out process for sure, but other then that no problems.

I left the guy a message, so we'll see, and thanks for that link.

It does seem relatively cheap, I don't know what it needs though, those aren't great pictures... If it is running and with registration then it is a great price, if not, then it's kind of high I think maybe.

phil · 07-05-2009, 02:26 PM

jim i have a love for that older stuff, i would guess that you do as well. it would be a labor of love but it sure looks worth while to me, very diffrent

Jim · 07-05-2009, 10:56 PM

I decided to pass... I had a look, and it is pretty cool looking, but...

The guy doesn't have registration for it. He is not sure what year it is, or what make. He has no paper work from when he bought it. All of these add up to making it nearly impossible for me to register the bike.

It is not running.

It is missing:
the fenders, front and back
the head lamp and tail lamp
seat
any levers or shifters
foot pegs
wiring
tank emblems
rear sprocket
chain
brakes
mirror (if it is supposed to have any?)

Also, the engine case has a crack in it, though it has been welded.

He does have "parts" though they aren't for this bike, they don't really even fit it. The gas tank on the bike is not correct, the mounting hard ware doesn't line up, and it is almost just sitting there. It has two outlets on the back of the tank (one on each side of the frame of course), one is open. The handle bars appear to be incorrect also. It is in dire need of tires.

On top of all of this though, (a lot of it is minor stuff anyways) I offered $300 on the spot, after checking it out... I think is a pretty good deal for a non running, non registered bike, which I will very likely never be able to register. Ever. I could try, but who knows how it would work out. Anyways it was cool to look at, physically it is smaller then I expected. It would be a cool project, but I would want to ride it on the road, and without registration I can't. He said he bought it for $500 (9 or so years ago), and does't want to loose any money on it.

Oh well, back to the Honda project.

AZ200cc · 07-06-2009, 12:24 AM

WOW, Beyond roach!!! sounds like a dead roach

Reveeen · 07-06-2009, 02:04 PM

Well.................

Sounds like a "parts" bike, and looking at it, parts from an era that really don't use well in anything but a pre 1960 situation. $300 was more than fair, who cares what he paid for it, maybe put his contact info away, and re-visit this in 6 months, or so.
There is a procedure for the "rightful possession" claim for a new title to be generated.
Did you snag any numbers? It is likely it would register with the engine number, and you would identify it by the engine number. Old Villiers 2 strokes were once pretty plentiful, but are pretty thin on the ground these days, there should be a registry of numbers somewhere that would identify it.

Ah.......here:
http://www.isdm.co.uk/villiersinfo/engineAsp/index.htm

I *guess* it all depends on your "gut" feeling for it.

Jim · 07-06-2009, 03:17 PM

It would require me to deal with ICBC more then I care too

One day the right one will show up, I already have a bike and a project bike

smithyUK · 07-08-2009, 03:46 PM

rip off 500 for what is basicly a frame with a cracked engine
but it would make a good flat tracker or beach racing bike though atleast thats wat i think lol

07-05-2009, 05:02 AM	#1
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	new to me 200? (aka, should I buy this) Found this on my evening craigslist hunt, I think I should go have a look... http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/mcy/1253997689.html __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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07-05-2009, 10:49 AM	#3
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	Reveen, thanks, that is about all the information I could really find about it too Papers would be ideal, I'll give the guy a call and see, but there is a way to "retrieve" registration with ICBC here, it's a long process and costs a bit of money... And if the previous registered owner says "hey thats mine, it was stolen!", I am pretty sure you loose the bike... __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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07-05-2009, 11:42 AM	#5
AZ200cc Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Show Low Arizona Posts: 2,889	Sure would be a great addition to a collection though......That is cheap. __________________ <br />2001 Suzuki DR200SE<br />1997 Suzuki RM250 YIKES<br />1995 Yamaha Breeze 125 daughters<br />1991 Honda XR80r Restored<br />maybe a 2003 Yamaha TTR90
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07-05-2009, 11:52 AM	#6
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	Sounds like it is even worse in your area 8O It is mostly done through the mail here... I did it not long ago for a 73 honda 350 that had been sitting in my parents barn for years... It was a long drawn out process for sure, but other then that no problems. I left the guy a message, so we'll see, and thanks for that link. It does seem relatively cheap, I don't know what it needs though, those aren't great pictures... If it is running and with registration then it is a great price, if not, then it's kind of high I think maybe. __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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07-05-2009, 02:26 PM	#7
phil Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: wise va Posts: 636	jim i have a love for that older stuff, i would guess that you do as well. it would be a labor of love but it sure looks worth while to me, very diffrent __________________ halls auto l coolster, modcycles, yanmar & zongshen, dealer fired roketa,lifan and jet moto and apollo quit me who's next
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07-05-2009, 10:38 AM	#2
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/norman.htm Interesting, and truly an "orphan", papers.......gotta come with papers.
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07-05-2009, 11:17 AM	#4
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	It is only lately that getting papers has become a real PITA, so much so, that if whatever I am buying doesn't have papers my interest is pretty close to 0. I guess it has to do with my lack of patience (or maybe my blood pressure) because I really am not interested in being treated like cattle (standing in line only to find the rules have changed since last time) and suspected of stealing something (and treated like I stole it). Then, once you have the thing figured out, you must pay a dealer for an appraisal, because it isn't in the wholesale book, or they can't be bothered to find it, and my main goal in life is cheating the government out of their tax money, so again, I am treated like a criminal. So, unless I am parting something out, if you wish to sell me something it has papers. http://www.normancycles.co.uk/
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07-05-2009, 10:56 PM	#8
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	I decided to pass... I had a look, and it is pretty cool looking, but... The guy doesn't have registration for it. He is not sure what year it is, or what make. He has no paper work from when he bought it. All of these add up to making it nearly impossible for me to register the bike. It is not running. It is missing: the fenders, front and back the head lamp and tail lamp seat any levers or shifters foot pegs wiring tank emblems rear sprocket chain brakes mirror (if it is supposed to have any?) Also, the engine case has a crack in it, though it has been welded. He does have "parts" though they aren't for this bike, they don't really even fit it. The gas tank on the bike is not correct, the mounting hard ware doesn't line up, and it is almost just sitting there. It has two outlets on the back of the tank (one on each side of the frame of course), one is open. The handle bars appear to be incorrect also. It is in dire need of tires. On top of all of this though, (a lot of it is minor stuff anyways) I offered $300 on the spot, after checking it out... I think is a pretty good deal for a non running, non registered bike, which I will very likely never be able to register. Ever. I could try, but who knows how it would work out. Anyways it was cool to look at, physically it is smaller then I expected. It would be a cool project, but I would want to ride it on the road, and without registration I can't. He said he bought it for $500 (9 or so years ago), and does't want to loose any money on it. Oh well, back to the Honda project. __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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07-06-2009, 12:24 AM	#9
AZ200cc Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Show Low Arizona Posts: 2,889	WOW, Beyond roach!!! sounds like a dead roach __________________ <br />2001 Suzuki DR200SE<br />1997 Suzuki RM250 YIKES<br />1995 Yamaha Breeze 125 daughters<br />1991 Honda XR80r Restored<br />maybe a 2003 Yamaha TTR90
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07-06-2009, 02:04 PM	#10
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	Well................. Sounds like a "parts" bike, and looking at it, parts from an era that really don't use well in anything but a pre 1960 situation. $300 was more than fair, who cares what he paid for it, maybe put his contact info away, and re-visit this in 6 months, or so. There is a procedure for the "rightful possession" claim for a new title to be generated. Did you snag any numbers? It is likely it would register with the engine number, and you would identify it by the engine number. Old Villiers 2 strokes were once pretty plentiful, but are pretty thin on the ground these days, there should be a registry of numbers somewhere that would identify it. Ah.......here: http://www.isdm.co.uk/villiersinfo/engineAsp/index.htm I guess it all depends on your "gut" feeling for it.
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07-06-2009, 03:17 PM	#11
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	It would require me to deal with ICBC more then I care too One day the right one will show up, I already have a bike and a project bike __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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07-08-2009, 03:46 PM	#12
smithyUK Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 77	rip off 500 for what is basicly a frame with a cracked engine but it would make a good flat tracker or beach racing bike though atleast thats wat i think lol __________________ 'man who be riding bike made in china be walking home' <br />bts 125xtx :mods: dirt tyres,zong hand guards more to come
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