Starting trouble

maverickfe · 08-17-2015, 11:49 PM

Hello I have a Kease Skyhawk 250 that will sorta start. Ok here goes full choke I try to give it gas and in a spot it try's to start but other then that it will not. Has new carbs and coils and wires plugs and cdi. Any one think of something I missed ?

Thanks.

jct842 · 08-18-2015, 01:23 AM

Is this a used new to you bike? If not how this happen?

humanbeing · 08-18-2015, 05:34 AM

Is the CDI right type (250 twin needs the 1.5uf capacitor model | Generic chonda thumper = 1uf cap )? Source coil's voltage output within limit (old chinese bike often F***ed, so there's "DC-cdi" <some thingy that turns 12v to AC 200v > for quick fix )? Carb's type ? http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14439&page=3 | Trigger gap (~0.5mm) ...

maverickfe · 08-18-2015, 08:08 AM

No its not a new atv I bought it not working cheap, I went to A J parts who sells Kasea parts and bought a new cdi from them. So it should be right. I will call them and ask them today I would of never thought of that THANK YOU.

Tonyrader · 08-21-2015, 06:51 AM

I have found many times that even though the plug will fire out side the cylinder, it does not work inside. I have found that several times that just changing the plugs on my kids 110cc tao tao have made it run well.. not sure of more, just is that.

bogieboy · 08-21-2015, 08:11 AM

you dont neccisarily need to choke it... have you tried without the choke? idont ever need the choke on my 200cc shinray dualsport....

maverickfe · 08-21-2015, 09:05 AM

I have tried with and with out the choke.

Weldangrind · 08-21-2015, 11:17 AM

Are you getting a strong spark?

maverickfe · 08-21-2015, 12:06 PM

Right now I'm making sure the battery is fully charge this week end I will try some thing's and let you know thanks

maverickfe · 08-23-2015, 03:15 AM

Ok this is what happen I used starting fluid first with the choke open would not start. So I put some fluid with the choke closed and using the throttle and it started up but I had to keep the choke closed and it would not idle at all by its self had to use the throttle. So any one know some thing I don't know ?

thanks

humanbeing · 08-23-2015, 03:51 AM

Tuned the carb?
These chonda twin was popular at pre "gashol" days in it's motherland, Dealer may receive the wrong shipment. So i always ask what's the type of those carb -Keihin / Mikuni? -Slide / CV ? -Real / Copies ?

maverickfe · 08-23-2015, 12:51 PM

They are Keihin brand new ones same ones that where on it when I bought it. I bought them from A&J parts they get them from SMC the maker of the atv . All the parts are from them oh I did get a new kill switch to . How many turns on the carbs out after setting the screw out?

Thanks

humanbeing · 08-23-2015, 04:31 PM

2 & quarter
Quoted from Japanese material https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2...zU5OEw0YV9GZTQ
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Exploded view of VE26... :
http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...048_E-15-1.png
http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...049_E-15-1.png
http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...050_E-15-1.png
http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...051_E-15-1.png

maverickfe · 08-23-2015, 09:47 PM

Sorry buy what is that cant read it?

humanbeing · 08-23-2015, 10:53 PM

That pdf is stolen from a Honda authorized shop
It's quite easy to figure out
90s twin carb (from H to T) http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~nori-to/re...l_database.htm Rebel = (Year) H? | (Engine type) MC06E | (Carb info is in the right side) Needle | Float level | Pilot Air | other useful info for this is engine is oil capacity (in liter) / rpm / spark plug
BTW Katakana isn't that hard
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Parts in English http://www.boltonmotorcycles.com ('95 CA250)

08-17-2015, 11:49 PM	#1
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	Starting trouble Hello I have a Kease Skyhawk 250 that will sorta start. Ok here goes full choke I try to give it gas and in a spot it try's to start but other then that it will not. Has new carbs and coils and wires plugs and cdi. Any one think of something I missed ? Thanks.
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08-18-2015, 05:34 AM	#3
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	Is the CDI right type (250 twin needs the 1.5uf capacitor model \| Generic chonda thumper = 1uf cap )? Source coil's voltage output within limit (old chinese bike often F**ed, so there's "DC-cdi" <some thingy that turns 12v to AC 200v > for quick fix )? Carb's type ? http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14439&page=3 \| Trigger gap (~0.5mm) ... __________________ Last edited by humanbeing; 08-18-2015 at 06:05 AM.*
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08-21-2015, 11:17 AM	#8
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Are you getting a strong spark? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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08-23-2015, 03:51 AM	#11
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	Tuned the carb? These chonda twin was popular at pre "gashol" days in it's motherland, Dealer may receive the wrong shipment. So i always ask what's the type of those carb -Keihin / Mikuni? -Slide / CV ? -Real / Copies ? __________________
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08-23-2015, 04:31 PM	#13
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	2 & quarter Quoted from Japanese material https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2...zU5OEw0YV9GZTQ --- Exploded view of VE26... : http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...048_E-15-1.png http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...049_E-15-1.png http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...050_E-15-1.png http://www.impex-jp.com/assets/image...051_E-15-1.png __________________ Last edited by humanbeing; 08-23-2015 at 05:02 PM.
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08-18-2015, 01:23 AM	#2
jct842 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: arkansas Posts: 297	Is this a used new to you bike? If not how this happen?
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08-18-2015, 08:08 AM	#4
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	No its not a new atv I bought it not working cheap, I went to A J parts who sells Kasea parts and bought a new cdi from them. So it should be right. I will call them and ask them today I would of never thought of that THANK YOU.
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08-21-2015, 06:51 AM	#5
Tonyrader Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 69	I have found many times that even though the plug will fire out side the cylinder, it does not work inside. I have found that several times that just changing the plugs on my kids 110cc tao tao have made it run well.. not sure of more, just is that.
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08-21-2015, 08:11 AM	#6
bogieboy Join Date: May 2013 Location: finger lakes NY Posts: 2,045	you dont neccisarily need to choke it... have you tried without the choke? idont ever need the choke on my 200cc shinray dualsport....
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08-21-2015, 09:05 AM	#7
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	I have tried with and with out the choke.
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08-21-2015, 12:06 PM	#9
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	Right now I'm making sure the battery is fully charge this week end I will try some thing's and let you know thanks
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08-23-2015, 03:15 AM	#10
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	Ok this is what happen I used starting fluid first with the choke open would not start. So I put some fluid with the choke closed and using the throttle and it started up but I had to keep the choke closed and it would not idle at all by its self had to use the throttle. So any one know some thing I don't know ? thanks
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08-23-2015, 12:51 PM	#12
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	They are Keihin brand new ones same ones that where on it when I bought it. I bought them from A&J parts they get them from SMC the maker of the atv . All the parts are from them oh I did get a new kill switch to . How many turns on the carbs out after setting the screw out? Thanks
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08-23-2015, 09:47 PM	#14
maverickfe Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 75	Sorry buy what is that cant read it?
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08-23-2015, 10:53 PM	#15
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	That pdf is stolen from a Honda authorized shop It's quite easy to figure out 90s twin carb (from H to T) http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~nori-to/re...l_database.htm Rebel = (Year) H? \| (Engine type) MC06E \| (Carb info is in the right side) Needle \| Float level \| Pilot Air \| other useful info for this is engine is oil capacity (in liter) / rpm / spark plug BTW Katakana isn't that hard --- Parts in English http://www.boltonmotorcycles.com ('95 CA250) __________________ Last edited by humanbeing; 08-24-2015 at 04:49 PM.
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