hellcat (RAPTOR) 125cc

Nicthegreat420 · 08-02-2020, 02:08 PM

Does anyone know what this wire is used for ?

My belief is that it’s an extra wire loom connector for something but the Chinese decided to make this a ground for the kill switch?

Second picture is of the new loom.. under the tank.

ripcuda · 08-03-2020, 02:00 PM

I have it also on my HC. I thought I read somewhere it was for the common china-bike security system and remote start feature... that the HC didn't come with.

Nicthegreat420 · 08-03-2020, 03:22 PM

Alright cool. So on your hc Would you bless me and post how yours looks. Pull the sleeve up to see if mine are in the correct positions.
That makes sense, cuz it would have instant access to kill switch, battery (once key on) signals and a ground. The red n yellow wire goes to my starter solenoid correct?

Nicthegreat420 · 08-03-2020, 03:56 PM

the starter must have 12V directly from the battery (should be a heavy gauge red wire)
then the smaller red wire from the solenoid is hooked up to the starter push button.

Assuming the engine is properly grounded via the chassis, that's all there is to it!
the engine itself should have an black heavy gauge wire to ground it..
hook that up to the battery negative terminal.

there should be another green wire that goes to a kill switch on a pitbike (that's the solenoid ground wire Coil?)
Bolt it up to frame over the coil bolt hole. Snug it down. Make sure that it grounds with a multi meter.

This is what I’m curious about now.... I copied this from another go cart forum, for a 125 Logan engine... “(if you have a key switch you would want to double switch the starter solenoid red wire with the key switch, otherwise a bypasser could drain your battery through the starter for fun )”.

Is that true...? Maybe my Bike has that.. cuz I can spin my engine on click 2 of the key switch. And 3 is the run mode.

'sid

PS when in doubt about colors, disconnect the CDI (in order to prevent failures while testing) and find a 9V block battery.. use that to identify the solenoid leads... (the solenoid should click)
once identified, check which one is connected to ground (a multimeter comes in handy here)

Nicthegreat420 · 08-03-2020, 09:39 PM

After spending twenty minutes with a. Multi meter, I’ve come to this conclusion:
Green wire is in fact ground For the kill switch itself.
Brown is key switch, click one. First click, yet it doesn’t power anything...? Why?
Red wire is always hot. Easy way to just start bike is they the red and black n white wire.
Bllack n white wire—goes to kill switch— not the cdi; it goes to the cd from the kill switch, thru the green wire, not the black n white.
And the orange, blue and the yellow and red wire— they go to the starter solenoid itself, the turn signal switch and the headlamp switch for hi beam button aka push bright..

After much time n trial and error I’ve come to find out the kill switch is bad; tho it has volt n continuity, it’s has an obvious short which I wish my previous owner just got replaced before I bought the bike.

Off to buy a new kill switch or just remove it completely from the loom. Might replace it with a push-lock type button, single click on single click off.

Anyone else have this no spark issue, if it isn’t anything else electrical, def digit with the push button starter AND the kill switch AT THE SAME time to find if it’s sparking.

Nicthegreat420 · 08-04-2020, 04:38 PM

So it only sparks with playing with the killswitch. Does that mean it ISNT the switches fault?

Bruces · 08-04-2020, 06:12 PM

Try jumping the wires on the switch to see if you have constant spark .

Nicthegreat420 · 08-04-2020, 09:59 PM

Connect the two wire together? Or actually jump them with a small wire ?

Was going to remove the two wires @the connector behind the dash, after trying to jump
Them.

Nicthegreat420 · 08-04-2020, 10:18 PM

Jumped them at the switch. Nothing.
Removed the wires from the kill switch. No spark. Jumped them at the
Kill switch. Nothing. Bypassed/Jumped them at the connector and retried-nope.
Tried this again with the coil kill wire out. Still nothing.

Nicthegreat420 · 08-04-2020, 10:32 PM

New issue arose (key power to starter broke off so ....

gott just buy a entire right hand at switch. Just gonna spend the $20 and rewire it all right up and make sure it runs then.

Nicthegreat420 · 08-12-2020, 07:20 PM

Long story short was a faulty cdi, and the previous owners wiring I had to sort out again.

Nicthegreat420 · 09-05-2020, 05:12 PM

Am getting compression, spark and fuel, air mix is correct.
Bike still won’t start up, not even with a bump start.
Nor a fully charged after purchasing for 18 hrs at 2amps brand new 12v battery.
New plugs. Tried 4 new ones all gapped @0.7mm at spec. Also tried 0.6 and 0.8
New wire loom.
New Cdi—Sparks— plus CDai shows timing on a Green LED.
Timing chain and cam timing is set correctly.
Valves are both .05mm, to tao tao HC stock head specs.
Coil does get power to spark plug n from cdi. Kill switch has been bypassed.
It has stock starter in it. Stock Starter button switch. Stock horn.
Carb has been cleaned every inch has been double checked.
New fuel filter n gas gets to carb.
Uni Air filter, oiled n ready.
Needle clip has been changed to all 5 settings, still no starting, it’s catches for a second, never idles anymore.
Not sure what else I’ve not put down but if anyone comes up with ideas shoot em my way please. Anything helps at this point.
I did notice exhaust header gasket was not present when I purchased this bike. Just a wider OD piping. Has aftermarket exhaust, clearly showing a leak, also it always popped on de acceleration downhills.

Only 4 things to make a engine go boom.

Gas
air
compression
spark

Compression is good, it pushes against the starter motor when the battery is very low after many attempts of starting it.
HELP ME

If anyone has any further suggestions feel free to let me know. It’s been a year n the bike still won’t fire up:

08-03-2020, 02:00 PM	#2
ripcuda Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 253	I have it also on my HC. I thought I read somewhere it was for the common china-bike security system and remote start feature... that the HC didn't come with. __________________ '20 TaoTao Hellcat 125 "grommet" '04 Yamaha TTR-125LE '00 Yamaha TTR-90 '07 Kinroad XT200GY Runmaster (sold) '07 KMD GY6 150cc ATV (sold) '07 Kangchao 250cc ATV Monster (sold) Baja Moto DB-30 "Doodlebugs"(x3) (sold) '06 Hi-Bird 200 parts bike (sold)
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08-04-2020, 10:32 PM	#10
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	New issue arose (key power to starter broke off so .... gott just buy a entire right hand at switch. Just gonna spend the $20 and rewire it all right up and make sure it runs then. Last edited by Nicthegreat420; 08-05-2020 at 08:34 PM.
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09-05-2020, 05:12 PM	#12
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	Am getting compression, spark and fuel, air mix is correct. Bike still won’t start up, not even with a bump start. Nor a fully charged after purchasing for 18 hrs at 2amps brand new 12v battery. New plugs. Tried 4 new ones all gapped @0.7mm at spec. Also tried 0.6 and 0.8 New wire loom. New Cdi—Sparks— plus CDai shows timing on a Green LED. Timing chain and cam timing is set correctly. Valves are both .05mm, to tao tao HC stock head specs. Coil does get power to spark plug n from cdi. Kill switch has been bypassed. It has stock starter in it. Stock Starter button switch. Stock horn. Carb has been cleaned every inch has been double checked. New fuel filter n gas gets to carb. Uni Air filter, oiled n ready. Needle clip has been changed to all 5 settings, still no starting, it’s catches for a second, never idles anymore. Not sure what else I’ve not put down but if anyone comes up with ideas shoot em my way please. Anything helps at this point. I did notice exhaust header gasket was not present when I purchased this bike. Just a wider OD piping. Has aftermarket exhaust, clearly showing a leak, also it always popped on de acceleration downhills. Only 4 things to make a engine go boom. Gas air compression spark Compression is good, it pushes against the starter motor when the battery is very low after many attempts of starting it. HELP ME If anyone has any further suggestions feel free to let me know. It’s been a year n the bike still won’t fire up: Last edited by Nicthegreat420; 09-05-2020 at 05:15 PM. Reason: Removed emojis
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08-03-2020, 03:22 PM	#3
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	Alright cool. So on your hc Would you bless me and post how yours looks. Pull the sleeve up to see if mine are in the correct positions. That makes sense, cuz it would have instant access to kill switch, battery (once key on) signals and a ground. The red n yellow wire goes to my starter solenoid correct?
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08-03-2020, 03:56 PM	#4
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	the starter must have 12V directly from the battery (should be a heavy gauge red wire) then the smaller red wire from the solenoid is hooked up to the starter push button. Assuming the engine is properly grounded via the chassis, that's all there is to it! the engine itself should have an black heavy gauge wire to ground it.. hook that up to the battery negative terminal. there should be another green wire that goes to a kill switch on a pitbike (that's the solenoid ground wire Coil?) Bolt it up to frame over the coil bolt hole. Snug it down. Make sure that it grounds with a multi meter. This is what I’m curious about now.... I copied this from another go cart forum, for a 125 Logan engine... “(if you have a key switch you would want to double switch the starter solenoid red wire with the key switch, otherwise a bypasser could drain your battery through the starter for fun )”. Is that true...? Maybe my Bike has that.. cuz I can spin my engine on click 2 of the key switch. And 3 is the run mode. 'sid PS when in doubt about colors, disconnect the CDI (in order to prevent failures while testing) and find a 9V block battery.. use that to identify the solenoid leads... (the solenoid should click) once identified, check which one is connected to ground (a multimeter comes in handy here)
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08-03-2020, 09:39 PM	#5
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	After spending twenty minutes with a. Multi meter, I’ve come to this conclusion: Green wire is in fact ground For the kill switch itself. Brown is key switch, click one. First click, yet it doesn’t power anything...? Why? Red wire is always hot. Easy way to just start bike is they the red and black n white wire. Bllack n white wire—goes to kill switch— not the cdi; it goes to the cd from the kill switch, thru the green wire, not the black n white. And the orange, blue and the yellow and red wire— they go to the starter solenoid itself, the turn signal switch and the headlamp switch for hi beam button aka push bright.. After much time n trial and error I’ve come to find out the kill switch is bad; tho it has volt n continuity, it’s has an obvious short which I wish my previous owner just got replaced before I bought the bike. Off to buy a new kill switch or just remove it completely from the loom. Might replace it with a push-lock type button, single click on single click off. Anyone else have this no spark issue, if it isn’t anything else electrical, def digit with the push button starter AND the kill switch AT THE SAME time to find if it’s sparking.
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08-04-2020, 06:12 PM	#7
Bruces Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 1,578	Try jumping the wires on the switch to see if you have constant spark .
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08-04-2020, 09:59 PM	#8
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	Connect the two wire together? Or actually jump them with a small wire ? Was going to remove the two wires @the connector behind the dash, after trying to jump Them.
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08-04-2020, 10:18 PM	#9
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	Jumped them at the switch. Nothing. Removed the wires from the kill switch. No spark. Jumped them at the Kill switch. Nothing. Bypassed/Jumped them at the connector and retried-nope. Tried this again with the coil kill wire out. Still nothing.
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08-12-2020, 07:20 PM	#11
Nicthegreat420 Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 69	Long story short was a faulty cdi, and the previous owners wiring I had to sort out again.
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