Please help with Zongshen engine

wolfmangk · 05-31-2010, 01:18 AM

Hello,

I have a liquid cooled 4 stroke 200CC engine 167ML model number. What viscosity oil should I put in it? What are the valve lash specifications? Please help me I can't find anything on this engine.

SpudRider · 05-31-2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfmangk

Hello,

I have a liquid cooled 4 stroke 200CC engine 167ML model number. What viscosity oil should I put in it? What are the valve lash specifications? Please help me I can't find anything on this engine.

Welcome to these forums!

I am not familiar with your engine, but I hope the ATV experts will soon come along to help you.

Spud

TurboT · 05-31-2010, 10:14 AM

Not too terribly many liquid cooled machine owners here, but pictures always help. Are you able to post some photos of the motor?

Weldangrind · 05-31-2010, 11:20 AM

Welcome!

I'd use 10W40 four stroke motorcycle oil, and the valves will be in the neighbourhood of 0.05mm (0.002") intake and 0.05 - 0.08mm (0.002" - 0.003") exhaust.

X2 on the pics!

wolfmangk · 06-01-2010, 01:26 PM

Pictures coming up!

Help!

Weldangrind · 06-02-2010, 01:17 AM

Did you happen to find this thread? http://www.chinariders.net/modules.p...t=9936&start=0

It's not exactly the same as yours, but I think they're both Honda clones. Have you done a Google search for liquid cooled 200cc Hondas?

wolfmangk · 06-03-2010, 12:19 AM

I think this engine is the same as the 167FML which is an air cooled unit. Just water cooled. They look very similar. How come there is zero information on it out there? When an engine is made, especially recently, information is usually at least, abundant.

SpudRider · 06-03-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfmangk

I think this engine is the same as the 167FML which is an air cooled unit. Just water cooled. They look very similar. How come there is zero information on it out there? When an engine is made, especially recently, information is usually at least, abundant.

I'm sorry, but I must say I disagree. I do not think your water cooled engine is similar to the air cooled, 167FML engine in my Zongshen 200GY-2 motorcycle.

However, we will continue to try to help you with your water cooled engine.

Spud

wolfmangk · 06-05-2010, 09:59 PM

SpudRider the reason I believe it is the same engine but with liquid cooling is this:

This is your engine the ZongShen 167FML:

This is mine the ZongShen 167ML:

Both made by the same company with similar model numbers. Look at the circular plug on the side of the cylinders-the same. I would bet the lower end, and maybe some upper end components would interchange.

SpudRider · 06-06-2010, 12:51 AM

Now I see why you are confused, Wolfmangk.

I searched the internet, and I saw the photograph you posted for the ZS167FML engine. My Zongshen 200GY-2 Motorcycle Maintenance Manual states I have a ZS167FML engine. However, my engine is very different from the engine in the photograph you posted. Here is a view of the left side of my engine.

Here is a view of the right side of my engine.

My ZS167FML engine is a virtual copy of the engine used in the Yamaha, TW200 motorcycles. The engine in your photograph appears to be a clone of a Honda engine. I don't know why Zongshen International has given the same name to two different engines. :roll: However, my engine is very different from yours.

Spud

wolfmangk · 06-06-2010, 01:38 AM

I stand corrected. If it is a copy of the Yamaha motor it is undoubtedly a great motor.

Weldangrind · 06-06-2010, 12:31 PM

I believe that your engine is a Honda copy, although I'm not sure what it was used in. I did find this: http://www.motopartsmax.com/index.ph.../50,27/paID/42

It might be useful.

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wolfmangk Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16	Please help with Zongshen engine Hello, I have a liquid cooled 4 stroke 200CC engine 167ML model number. What viscosity oil should I put in it? What are the valve lash specifications? Please help me I can't find anything on this engine.
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TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	Not too terribly many liquid cooled machine owners here, but pictures always help. Are you able to post some photos of the motor? __________________ My Blogs: Chinese Motorcycle Blog A Man's Blog
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05-31-2010, 11:20 AM	#4
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Welcome! I'd use 10W40 four stroke motorcycle oil, and the valves will be in the neighbourhood of 0.05mm (0.002") intake and 0.05 - 0.08mm (0.002" - 0.003") exhaust. X2 on the pics! __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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06-02-2010, 01:17 AM	#6
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Did you happen to find this thread? http://www.chinariders.net/modules.p...t=9936&start=0 It's not exactly the same as yours, but I think they're both Honda clones. Have you done a Google search for liquid cooled 200cc Hondas? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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06-06-2010, 12:51 AM	#10
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Now I see why you are confused, Wolfmangk. I searched the internet, and I saw the photograph you posted for the ZS167FML engine. My Zongshen 200GY-2 Motorcycle Maintenance Manual states I have a ZS167FML engine. However, my engine is very different from the engine in the photograph you posted. Here is a view of the left side of my engine. Here is a view of the right side of my engine. My ZS167FML engine is a virtual copy of the engine used in the Yamaha, TW200 motorcycles. The engine in your photograph appears to be a clone of a Honda engine. I don't know why Zongshen International has given the same name to two different engines. :roll: However, my engine is very different from yours. Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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06-01-2010, 01:26 PM	#5
wolfmangk Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16	Pictures coming up! Help!
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06-03-2010, 12:19 AM	#7
wolfmangk Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16	I think this engine is the same as the 167FML which is an air cooled unit. Just water cooled. They look very similar. How come there is zero information on it out there? When an engine is made, especially recently, information is usually at least, abundant.
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06-05-2010, 09:59 PM	#9
wolfmangk Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16	SpudRider the reason I believe it is the same engine but with liquid cooling is this: This is your engine the ZongShen 167FML: This is mine the ZongShen 167ML: Both made by the same company with similar model numbers. Look at the circular plug on the side of the cylinders-the same. I would bet the lower end, and maybe some upper end components would interchange.
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06-06-2010, 01:38 AM	#11
wolfmangk Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16	I stand corrected. If it is a copy of the Yamaha motor it is undoubtedly a great motor.
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06-06-2010, 12:31 PM	#12
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I believe that your engine is a Honda copy, although I'm not sure what it was used in. I did find this: http://www.motopartsmax.com/index.ph.../50,27/paID/42 It might be useful. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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