The final straw!!!

czowner · 10-21-2007, 03:24 PM

Went out for a ride this afternoon, hadn't been out long and the gearbox starts making a big noise. Only in 6th gear with the power on, so I came home without using 6th gear and dropped the oil. Most of a gear tooth came out with the oil. So after 51 weeks and 7500 miles of Chinese bike ownership I'm off back to my reliable East European 2 strokes.

Jonathan.

SamM · 10-21-2007, 03:31 PM

I know where you are coming from Jonathan! My new 2006 QLink has been at the dealership for over 6 weeks. I got a call from them yesterday and they are trying to blame me for the bent frame. Asking me if it was purchased in the crate and goofy questions about when I noticed the damagae, why did I wait to bring it in, why didn't I contact the original dealer, etc... I'm just about sick of it! If they don't replace the frame and swingarm soon, I will part out another chinese motorcycle. That's going to do it for me!

I hate to do it because I liked that little bike!

SamM

roketaman · 10-21-2007, 09:23 PM

I dont feel al chinabikes are bad. You just have to go over then alittle better then other makes.

frostbite · 10-21-2007, 09:30 PM

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So after 51 weeks and 7500 miles of Chinese bike ownership I'm off back to my reliable East European 2 strokes.

Sorry to hear about your gearbox. I don't suppose warranty is still available?

culcune · 10-21-2007, 11:58 PM

I'm losing my cool, too. (this thread is becoming a gripe session from Chinese owners!!)

After the original engine gave out on the Jetmoto, and the bike sat for over a year, I purchased a brand new Lifan engine...and that engine's tranny went out!!

I think for the sake of cost, I will try the higher end Chinese bikes, such as the United Motors enduro/supermotard or the really cool Qlink XF200 (from Qingqi with its Suzuki-based engine). The Japanese 200/250's are either not exciting enough (i.e. DR200/TW200/XT225) and are too expensive, or are really cool and too expensive (KLX250).

czowner · 10-22-2007, 04:00 AM

I don't want to give the wrong impression, overall I'm still reasonably happy with it, also you have to bear in mind that the crush drive was removed at about 1000 miles, so any transmission failures may be due to the extra stress. Some years ago I had a Russian 2 stroke Trail Bike, it was soon very obvious I was fighting a losing battle to keep it going. It was badly built out of poorly machined parts, I believe that the Chinese must improve to be taken seriously. I for one wouldn't mind paying more for a better product with decent spares support. At the moment Chinese bikes are cheap weekend toys, which is the use about 90% of the owners on this forum put them to, with some small improvements they could easily be cheap, functional everyday transport, a sector of the market that the East Europeans had sewn up for many years.

Jonathan.

red2003 · 10-22-2007, 07:53 AM

cz, that's really crummy. I wonder if it WAS the clutch cush delete?? They must have put it in there for a reason?? Anyway, hope you find a more reliable ride, and best of luck.

frostbite · 10-22-2007, 08:17 AM

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I wonder if it WAS the clutch cush delete?? They must have put it in there for a reason??

I always assumed it was intended to improve the ride, perhaps its more important than that?

red2003 · 10-22-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by frostbite

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I wonder if it WAS the clutch cush delete?? They must have put it in there for a reason??

I always assumed it was intended to improve the ride, perhaps its more important than that?

I wonder if the bigger 250cc motor has some weird vibration that would warrant a way of softening the blow to the tranny?? Six speeds inside that little tranny case must mean stuff is borderline in there to begin with. Heck, you only need 5 gears anyway, RUN IT!!!!!

CathastrophiX · 10-22-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by culcune

I'm losing my cool, too. (this thread is becoming a gripe session from Chinese owners!!)

After the original engine gave out on the Jetmoto, and the bike sat for over a year, I purchased a brand new Lifan engine...and that engine's tranny went out!!

I think for the sake of cost, I will try the higher end Chinese bikes, such as the United Motors enduro/supermotard or the really cool Qlink XF200 (from Qingqi with its Suzuki-based engine). The Japanese 200/250's are either not exciting enough (i.e. DR200/TW200/XT225) and are too expensive, or are really cool and too expensive (KLX250).

Well, today "Cybertrons" Qingqi killed itself...
Apparently all of the engine oil splashed out of the engine and all over the bike while he was riding. The engine was completely dead.
I hope he reports what actually happended.
This is the first Qingqi I heard of with engine problems.

culcune · 10-22-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CathastrophiX

Well, today "Cybertrons" Qingqi killed itself...
Apparently all of the engine oil splashed out of the engine and all over the bike while he was riding. The engine was completely dead.
I hope he reports what actually happended.
This is the first Qingqi I heard of with engine problems.

He probably won't tell us. He was so proud of his bike! Are Suzukis known for such problems?

bronevaya · 10-22-2007, 04:38 PM

I use my shineray every day. no problems, it gets more use then the poor benz

roketaman · 10-22-2007, 07:10 PM

I have to say I Have a upper line Roketa quad and I rag it hard. I dont have any problems With it. I will also be racing it in quad scrambles as soon as I can get time to install my kill lanyard lol. People just have to look over what they are going to get hard. I am a very happy owner with my bike. I also relize that I will be beating the heck out of my bike and stuff will break.

IronFist · 10-22-2007, 08:33 PM

czowner wrote something profound that shouldn't get lost. I too would pay a little more, to get a little more. I'm happy with my purchase, even if my bike died tomorrow. But I would have payed more for a better bike, and be even more happy. In Toronto a new entry level bike is about 7000$. 4500$ for a cbr125. (I'd like something bigger than that.) There seams to be no middle ground in price. No matter what a used bike looks like you can never be sure of what problems you are getting into, and no warranty.

So talking new, either I pay 6000-7000$ for a big 4 bike, or get a chinabike for 1500$. There is a market for the middle ground. Like the vw bug. Cheap and reliable. Just MHO :roll:

knothead · 10-23-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by frostbite

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I wonder if it WAS the clutch cush delete?? They must have put it in there for a reason??

I always assumed it was intended to improve the ride, perhaps its more important than that?

It's to protect the tranny from shock loading on the street (or any hard surface) , like hitting a bump large enough to cause the wheel to loose traction and then suddenly grab.

10-21-2007, 03:24 PM	#1
czowner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North East England Posts: 313	The final straw!!! Went out for a ride this afternoon, hadn't been out long and the gearbox starts making a big noise. Only in 6th gear with the power on, so I came home without using 6th gear and dropped the oil. Most of a gear tooth came out with the oil. So after 51 weeks and 7500 miles of Chinese bike ownership I'm off back to my reliable East European 2 strokes. Jonathan.
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10-21-2007, 03:31 PM	#2
SamM Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,194	I know where you are coming from Jonathan! My new 2006 QLink has been at the dealership for over 6 weeks. I got a call from them yesterday and they are trying to blame me for the bent frame. Asking me if it was purchased in the crate and goofy questions about when I noticed the damagae, why did I wait to bring it in, why didn't I contact the original dealer, etc... I'm just about sick of it! If they don't replace the frame and swingarm soon, I will part out another chinese motorcycle. That's going to do it for me! I hate to do it because I liked that little bike! SamM __________________ 2013 Jeep Wrangler Sahara MOAB 2005 BMW E53 X5 2011 Schutt Industries LTT-HC LQG trailer 2017 Coleman CT200U 1978 Yamaha SR500E 1979 Yamaha XS650 Special II
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10-21-2007, 09:23 PM	#3
roketaman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 29	I dont feel al chinabikes are bad. You just have to go over then alittle better then other makes. __________________ Atv powersports of florida. We are a Roketa dealership<br /><br />Personal bike is a Roketa atv-61
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10-21-2007, 11:58 PM	#5
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	I'm losing my cool, too. (this thread is becoming a gripe session from Chinese owners!!) After the original engine gave out on the Jetmoto, and the bike sat for over a year, I purchased a brand new Lifan engine...and that engine's tranny went out!! I think for the sake of cost, I will try the higher end Chinese bikes, such as the United Motors enduro/supermotard or the really cool Qlink XF200 (from Qingqi with its Suzuki-based engine). The Japanese 200/250's are either not exciting enough (i.e. DR200/TW200/XT225) and are too expensive, or are really cool and too expensive (KLX250). __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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10-22-2007, 07:53 AM	#7
red2003 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Vermont, USA Posts: 1,223	cz, that's really crummy. I wonder if it WAS the clutch cush delete?? They must have put it in there for a reason?? Anyway, hope you find a more reliable ride, and best of luck. __________________ First Chinabike: 2006 Roketa RSX200E Current Chinabikes: 2023 Titan DLX & 2021 Lifan KP Mini w/ 210cc BRT kit, 22 HP!
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10-22-2007, 04:00 AM	#6
czowner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North East England Posts: 313	I don't want to give the wrong impression, overall I'm still reasonably happy with it, also you have to bear in mind that the crush drive was removed at about 1000 miles, so any transmission failures may be due to the extra stress. Some years ago I had a Russian 2 stroke Trail Bike, it was soon very obvious I was fighting a losing battle to keep it going. It was badly built out of poorly machined parts, I believe that the Chinese must improve to be taken seriously. I for one wouldn't mind paying more for a better product with decent spares support. At the moment Chinese bikes are cheap weekend toys, which is the use about 90% of the owners on this forum put them to, with some small improvements they could easily be cheap, functional everyday transport, a sector of the market that the East Europeans had sewn up for many years. Jonathan.
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10-22-2007, 04:38 PM	#12
bronevaya Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	I use my shineray every day. no problems, it gets more use then the poor benz
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10-22-2007, 07:10 PM	#13
roketaman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 29	I have to say I Have a upper line Roketa quad and I rag it hard. I dont have any problems With it. I will also be racing it in quad scrambles as soon as I can get time to install my kill lanyard lol. People just have to look over what they are going to get hard. I am a very happy owner with my bike. I also relize that I will be beating the heck out of my bike and stuff will break. __________________ Atv powersports of florida. We are a Roketa dealership<br /><br />Personal bike is a Roketa atv-61
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10-22-2007, 08:33 PM	#14
IronFist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 2,585	czowner wrote something profound that shouldn't get lost. I too would pay a little more, to get a little more. I'm happy with my purchase, even if my bike died tomorrow. But I would have payed more for a better bike, and be even more happy. In Toronto a new entry level bike is about 7000$. 4500$ for a cbr125. (I'd like something bigger than that.) There seams to be no middle ground in price. No matter what a used bike looks like you can never be sure of what problems you are getting into, and no warranty. So talking new, either I pay 6000-7000$ for a big 4 bike, or get a chinabike for 1500$. There is a market for the middle ground. Like the vw bug. Cheap and reliable. Just MHO :roll:
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