$5895 for RX4

[Working_ZS]

Just scoping out CSC's site and noticed that they have posted a price for the RX4 - $5895. So $6300 after Assembly and Documentaion fees are added in.

No mention of the bikes specs at that price, so it is hard to say one way or another how good of a deal a buyer would be getting. The base price is $400 more than a non-ABS Versys - X300, which comes with nothing apart from the bike - no luggage, 12v/USB ports or crash bars. Plus 150 cc's lower displacement, engine wise. Then dealer fees.

I don't know, I guess I need to see the full specs before I decide anything.

[JerryHawk250]

450cc engine 43.5 HP

[1cylinderwonder]

$5895 is $100 more than the Versys-X 300 with ABS.
I can buy a Versys-X 300 for the MSRP $5795 price plus sales tax and license registration fee. NO freight, NO assembly charges.
Plus the Versys-X weighs less and has less pounds per horsepower than the RX4.
The Versys probably can “smoke” the RX4 in the quarter mile acceleration time.
(Versys-X, 386 lbs. 39 horsepower) (RX4, 450 lbs., 44 horsepower)
Less weigh is always better for off road use, in my opinion.
(I also checked out the Zongshen selling price, and it is much, much cheaper thanks CSC’s)

Originally Posted by Working_ZS

Just scoping out CSC's site and noticed that they have posted a price for the RX4 - $5895. So $6300 after Assembly and Documentaion fees are added in.
No mention of the bikes specs at that price, so it is hard to say one way or another how good of a deal a buyer would be getting. The base price is $400 more than a non-ABS Versys - X300, which comes with nothing apart from the bike - no luggage, 12v/USB ports or crash bars. Plus 150 cc's lower displacement, engine wise. Then dealer fees.

[Biker_Andy]

No freight & no assembly fee for a Versys? Maybe if you buy it in Japan partly assembled from the factory. There will be WAY more fees from a Japanese dealer then from CSC. Japanese fees typically add $500 to $1000 to the advertised price. Kawi, Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda all charge freight. The freight charge is from Japan to the dealership. CSC freight is from the dealership to your door if you choose to have it shipped, not from China to CSC. That freight is already included in the CSC price.

[calvarez]

Before buying the RX3, I was looking at some of the small Japanese bikes under $4k. Every single one of them had at LEAST $1k in dealer fees. I asked several dealers in various states, including a friend who runs a dealership in CO. He said they just can't make money on them, and even the highest friend discount was going to put me about $500 above MSRP out the door.

One dealer quoted nearly $2k in fees, though the bike was advertised a couple hundred below MSRP. It's all a game.

[Biker_Andy]

It bugs me when one dealer, CSC is honest and transparent with fees and people bash them for being more expensive without having any clue about the real hidden fees that EVERY other dealership has. Plus the Versys is a street bike that only looks like an adventure bike. It would cost propably $1000 - $2000 to upgrade the Versys so it could do what the RX4 is capable of stock. Then you still need to add another $500-$1000 for racks & luggage. Apples to apples the RX4 will beat the competition or CSC wouldn't be importing it.

[fjmartin]

On the weight comment, It can be a bit of a math quiz. Kawi weight is for the bare bike wet weight. When I got my RX3 the claimed weight was 385 lbs dry. I then did a bunch of math about the wet weight, my added farkles and then went to a certified scale and weighed it.

Claimed dry weight is 385 pounds
1.7 quarts of oil is 7.2 pounds per gallon = 3.06 pounds
3.7 gallons of gas is 6.073 pounds per gallon = 22.47 pounds
67.6 ounces of coolant is 6.5 pounds per gallon = 3.47 pounds
3.06+22.47+3.47=29.0 lb of liquids
Wet would be = 414 pounds. That must include the OEM skid plate, crash bars, luggage racks and plastic luggage since mine was 420 with the farkles.

Weighed Items-
Grab Rail: 5 lb
Rack Plate: 3 lb
Rear Luggage Carrier assembly: 8 lb
Updated CSC Skid Plate: 3 lb
Passenger Foot Pegs (2): 2.25 lb
Engine Guards: 12 lb
Billet Guards - 4 lb
Spot Lights - 1 lb
Spot and Phone Mount - 1 lb
Electronics - 1 lb
Agi-Tubes = 3 lb
Tourfella Luggage = 12.5+12.5+12.6=37.6 lb
5+3+8+3+2.25+12+4+1+1+1++3+37.6=80.85 lb in total farkles

Totals-
Wet Weight of my bike with all farkles = 420 lb
Dry Weight of my bike with all farkles = 420-29=391 lb
Naked Dry weight = 420-29-80.85=310.15 lb
Naked Wet Weight = 310.15+29=339.15 lb

So what I'm seeing from my RX3 math and if they do it the same for the RX4 is that the 450 pound weight is going to be dry weight so it will be more like 480 wet BUT that includes a bunch of the things you'd probably add onto the Versys like luggage racks, luggage, crash bars, etc.

[TK]

What color is the sky in your world and when did Adventure bikes start drag racing?

[Biker_Andy]

My CB500X weighs 430lbs wet (same as a KLR650) but that doesn't include the approximately 30-40lbs of guards, racks & luggage the CSC comes with stock. I bet my soft dry bags and homemade rack only add 15lbs but I don't have an engine guard. So RX4 is maybe 20lbs heavier for a similar equipped CB500X but probably a fair bit more capable off-road. Maybe only 10lbs heavier then a Rally Raid CB500X. The RX4 is still a lot cheaper then a RR CB500X which has been called a modern day KLR. I'd be interested too see a RR CB500X vs RX4 comparison. Or RR Versys 300, RR CB500X & RX4 three way shootout

[Working_ZS]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

$5895 is $100 more than the Versys-X 300 with ABS.
I can buy a Versys-X 300 for the MSRP $5795 price plus sales tax and license registration fee. NO freight, NO assembly charges.
Plus the Versys-X weighs less and has less pounds per horsepower than the RX4.
The Versys probably can “smoke” the RX4 in the quarter mile acceleration time.
(Versys-X, 386 lbs. 39 horsepower) (RX4, 450 lbs., 44 horsepower)
Less weigh is always better for off road use, in my opinion.
(I also checked out the Zongshen selling price, and it is much, much cheaper thanks CSC’s)

I cannot speak to what you can get a Versys-x 300 for or the results of a 1/4 mile acceleration test, but in the case of the RX4's price, I'm pretty sure that the ongoing trade war with China has been factored into the price. I, too, have seen chinese RX4 prices a few hundred dollars less after converted to US dollars. But, that price is without taking into consideration CSC's overhead for federal EPA and CARB emissions certification costs and import tariffs on chinese goods.

I'm basing my speculation about import tariffs affecting CSC's price on a tidbit from Joe Berk, who put up a post on his Exhaust Notes blog about Baja John buying a TT250 for his house in Mexico. In it, he mentioned that Steve Seidner at CSC told Baja John it would be better to buy the bike now rather than wait till later in the year, due to the fact that prices were going up for the next shipment of bikes due to tariffs. So, to a certain extent, it is out of CSC's hands. They are a business and need to turn a profit to stay in business. I do not begrudge them that, though like everyone else in the world, I would love to get something for nothing, or next to nothing.

Regarding the RX4's weight, I agree that less is more when taking it off road. Hence my preference for the RX3S and its 380 cc parallel twin, which CSC decided not to bring in due to ergonomic problems. Although, based off of statements from CSC's blog, we may yet see a bike with the 380 cc twin engine in the future. Here's hoping a re-worked RX3 or similar sized bike makes an appearance in the not too distant future.

[ben2go]

I only have $6000 in my farkled CB500X that I bought new. I can't see giving that kind of money for an unproven Chinese bike.

[1cylinderwonder]

I’m not interested in the fully loaded RX4. I’m more in the Scrambler model mode. I don’t want crashbars, hard saddlebags, hard top box, 12volt socket plug, USB ports, heated grips, cellphone bracket, etc. (an over-loaded, too heavy motorcycle) I’m not traveling coast to coast.
I want a light weight, lightly equipped, easily controlled, and easy to pick up if I’m dumped in the off road, non-paved, non-traveled territory. I want to explore interesting areas.
So the fully accessorized RX4 is not my bike. I don’t want to pay for a bike I then have to strip down to my specs! So to me the now listed price is too expensive.

Originally Posted by Biker_Andy

It bugs me when one dealer, CSC is honest and transparent with fees and people bash them for being more expensive without having any clue about the real hidden fees that EVERY other dealership has. Plus the Versys is a street bike that only looks like an adventure bike. It would cost propably $1000 - $2000 to upgrade the Versys so it could do what the RX4 is capable of stock. Then you still need to add another $500-$1000 for racks & luggage. Apples to apples the RX4 will beat the competition or CSC wouldn't be importing it.

[1cylinderwonder]

The color of the sky in my world is beautiful blue!
And when do Adventure bikes drag race? It’s when the last rider to the end of the quarter mile has to buy breakfast or lunch for everyone who arrives before him or her!

Originally Posted by TK

What color is the sky in your world and when did Adventure bikes start drag racing?

[1cylinderwonder]

Originally Posted by ben2go

I only have $6000 in my farkled CB500X that I bought new. I can't see giving that kind of money for an unproven Chinese bike.

Exactly!

What about the required RX4 maintenance?
Frequency of valve adjustments, oil changes, does the RX4 have a”real oil filter?”
How about the longevity of the “NEW” motor?
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

[culcune]

The real test will be when Everide on his YouTube channel tries to ride it like a CRF450R and states it doesn't stack up to that off-road bike so goes on and on bashing it. Right after his video of him fawning over the Royal Enfield in his 'non-bias' test...