oil cooler?

hunter · 02-05-2007, 12:55 AM

can you put an oilcooler on a lifan or maybe some fans to cool it down on hot days or when your not moving too much? anything for the old honda 200 cc engines?

ob1 · 02-05-2007, 08:59 AM

Run a search for "header wrap".

I dont think you could mount an oil cooler without some serious hassle.

red2003 · 02-05-2007, 10:00 AM

Not sure on the oil cooler. You'd need to tap into the pressure side of the oiling system and I can't envsion what that would even look like on these bikes. After the motor is broke-in, change to a high quality full synthetic oil like Mobil 1 (make sure it is "wet clutch safe") and don't worry about heat issues. If you gotta sit around for extended periods in the high heat, just shut it off.

Jet_Tech · 02-05-2007, 09:21 PM

Our engines are not equipped with an oil pump, it uses splash lubrication. You would have to install an electric oil pump to circulate the oil through the cooler. This is where you would run into problems.

mdsuave13 · 02-05-2007, 09:35 PM

i wouldnt stress about it too much, i ran the pee out of my old honda xr80 like it was my job, i didnt even ever think about cooling issues or even changing oil in it. I just ran that thing hard and put it away wet.

I had that dirtbike for about 5 years and abused it everyday. Probably overheated it numerous times. I would think these lil china bikes can take similar abuse, considering the way they are taken care of over in china.. those people abuse them way worse then we could. haha.

liverchip · 02-05-2007, 10:27 PM

Here is an interesting note, some of the Lifan horizontal motors have oil cooler connections. http://www.t-motorsports.com/li13oilcoenm.html.

mdsuave13 · 02-05-2007, 11:29 PM

i've been looking around, the 138cc motors for the honda xr50's have a pretty amazing aftermarket on them.

Not to mention that a honda 50 makes about 3 hp, the lifan motor makes 12hp.. i bet that thing flies !!! haha

also... i found aftermarket hi lift cams, stroker crankshafts, etc.. i may have to make me a lil pocket rocket 50 with a 138cc motor wedged in there!

i still think the oil cooler would be unneccesary, i mean i remember riding my honda ALL day to the point it was toasty hot, and then just hosing the mud off of it right after i was done.. haha.

ejcycles · 02-06-2007, 10:11 AM

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All of these engines have oil pumps, the transmission gears are the only part that work off of the splash type system. Even the transmission gear shafts have oil pumped through them to lubricate the shaft and where the gear rides on it. The oil cooler would have to be fabricated but one could be made. Honda didn't make any of the 200cc or 250cc engines styled like these with an oil cooler. I hope this helps.

Bruce

frostbite · 02-06-2007, 10:18 AM

Once upon a time I had a Honda ATC200X with an aftermarket oil cooler. Would one of these work?

ejcycles · 02-06-2007, 10:27 AM

Hi Frostbite
Yes it very likely would as the Honda Dirtbikes, Enduros etc. have almost the same bottom end {cases anyway}.

Bruce

red2003 · 02-06-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet_Tech

Our engines are not equipped with an oil pump, it uses splash lubrication. You would have to install an electric oil pump to circulate the oil through the cooler. This is where you would run into problems.

Yes they DO have oil pumps. You'd just have to tap into the oil gallery. That would be the problem, but as mentioned they may have that provision already built in to the cases. Interesting idea.

liverchip · 02-06-2007, 11:44 AM

I have done the same with old VW motors as well(tap the main gallery). T-Motorsports also has a billet oil cooler for sale for the Lifan motors.

mdsuave13 · 02-06-2007, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liverchip

I have done the same with old VW motors as well(tap the main gallery). T-Motorsports also has a billet oil cooler for sale for the Lifan motors.

where did you see this part at? i looked at their website and couldnt find an oil cooler, i did find their oil cooler 138cc motor, but thats about it.

Can you link it for us?

liverchip · 02-06-2007, 04:23 PM

The item is not on their website. They do however have it in their e-bay store. Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ENGIN...mZ150087819521

02-05-2007, 12:55 AM	#1
hunter Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 101	oil cooler? can you put an oilcooler on a lifan or maybe some fans to cool it down on hot days or when your not moving too much? anything for the old honda 200 cc engines?
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02-05-2007, 10:00 AM	#3
red2003 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Vermont, USA Posts: 1,271	Not sure on the oil cooler. You'd need to tap into the pressure side of the oiling system and I can't envsion what that would even look like on these bikes. After the motor is broke-in, change to a high quality full synthetic oil like Mobil 1 (make sure it is "wet clutch safe") and don't worry about heat issues. If you gotta sit around for extended periods in the high heat, just shut it off. __________________ First Chinabike: 2006 Roketa RSX200E Current Chinabikes: 2023 Titan DLX & 2022 Lifan KP Mini w/ 210cc BRT kit, 22 RWHP!
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02-05-2007, 10:27 PM	#6
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	Here is an interesting note, some of the Lifan horizontal motors have oil cooler connections. http://www.t-motorsports.com/li13oilcoenm.html. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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02-05-2007, 11:29 PM	#7
mdsuave13 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ellicott city, Maryland Posts: 857	i've been looking around, the 138cc motors for the honda xr50's have a pretty amazing aftermarket on them. Not to mention that a honda 50 makes about 3 hp, the lifan motor makes 12hp.. i bet that thing flies !!! haha also... i found aftermarket hi lift cams, stroker crankshafts, etc.. i may have to make me a lil pocket rocket 50 with a 138cc motor wedged in there! i still think the oil cooler would be unneccesary, i mean i remember riding my honda ALL day to the point it was toasty hot, and then just hosing the mud off of it right after i was done.. haha. __________________ My name is Justin, my friends call me Stix. 2008 Kawasaki KLR650 Candy Lime Green ______________________________ I am the official China bike registration Guru For the State of Maryland..... HA.
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02-06-2007, 10:11 AM	#8
ejcycles Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 11481 State Route 44 Mantua, Ohio 44255 Posts: 1,112	Note All of these engines have oil pumps, the transmission gears are the only part that work off of the splash type system. Even the transmission gear shafts have oil pumped through them to lubricate the shaft and where the gear rides on it. The oil cooler would have to be fabricated but one could be made. Honda didn't make any of the 200cc or 250cc engines styled like these with an oil cooler. I hope this helps. Bruce __________________ Thanks, Bruce @ Endless Journey Cycles "Phone Calls Only" ~330-274-0098~ Hours: Tue.-Fri. 10:00-6:00 Sat. 10:00-4:00 EST. Dealer for: Lifan, Crossrunner ATVs. http://www.endlessjourneycycles.net
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02-05-2007, 08:59 AM	#2
ob1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 499	Run a search for "header wrap". I dont think you could mount an oil cooler without some serious hassle.
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02-05-2007, 09:21 PM	#4
Jet_Tech Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 47	Our engines are not equipped with an oil pump, it uses splash lubrication. You would have to install an electric oil pump to circulate the oil through the cooler. This is where you would run into problems.
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02-05-2007, 09:35 PM	#5
mdsuave13 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ellicott city, Maryland Posts: 857	i wouldnt stress about it too much, i ran the pee out of my old honda xr80 like it was my job, i didnt even ever think about cooling issues or even changing oil in it. I just ran that thing hard and put it away wet. I had that dirtbike for about 5 years and abused it everyday. Probably overheated it numerous times. I would think these lil china bikes can take similar abuse, considering the way they are taken care of over in china.. those people abuse them way worse then we could. haha.
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02-06-2007, 10:18 AM	#9
frostbite Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fredericton, NB, Canada Posts: 1,744	Once upon a time I had a Honda ATC200X with an aftermarket oil cooler. Would one of these work? __________________ Frostbite "The beatings will continue until moral improves"
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02-06-2007, 10:27 AM	#10
ejcycles Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 11481 State Route 44 Mantua, Ohio 44255 Posts: 1,112	Hi Frostbite Yes it very likely would as the Honda Dirtbikes, Enduros etc. have almost the same bottom end {cases anyway}. Bruce __________________ Thanks, Bruce @ Endless Journey Cycles "Phone Calls Only" ~330-274-0098~ Hours: Tue.-Fri. 10:00-6:00 Sat. 10:00-4:00 EST. Dealer for: Lifan, Crossrunner ATVs. http://www.endlessjourneycycles.net
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02-06-2007, 11:44 AM	#12
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	I have done the same with old VW motors as well(tap the main gallery). T-Motorsports also has a billet oil cooler for sale for the Lifan motors. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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02-06-2007, 04:23 PM	#14
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	The item is not on their website. They do however have it in their e-bay store. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ENGIN...mZ150087819521 __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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