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Join Date: Apr 2008
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My initial thoughts
My initial Thoughts on my new CSC Cyclone RX-3 after about 300 miles.
I really like the bike, no glaring problems. Seat is mediocre ...... not the best stock bike seat I've had...not the worst one either, like most bikes, a better seat would be a nice upgrade, but it's "OK" for a stock seat. Power is good for a 250 single, but is a peaky motor, and makes its power at 6000 rpm and up, is a bit weak in the torque department (just the opposite of my NC700X which is all torque, and little top end) both are fine, just require different riding techniques...no real complaints here Transmission - Shifts smooth, is a bit hard to find neutral, but may get better as it breaks in. clutch releases further out from the grip than I prefer, I believe a a slightly shorter arm at the lower end of the clutch cable would change the geometry to make it disengage closer to the grip and still allow the proper amount of slack in the cable adjustment. Guards and Luggage-- The guards seem to be very sturdy, and provide lots of protection, and give good places to mount extra lights, pegs ect.. the luggage is pretty good, I'm carrying my rain suit and some tools in the muffler side bag, and reserve the left side for my jacket...I installed a 40 liter trunk instead of the stock truck so I could store my helmet in it. Lighting-- I haven't really had the need to ride in the dark yet, so I can't speak for the lighting yet Handling __ is good on pavement, and on gravel roads, I haven't really had it on any really rough stuff yet, will post more when I do. I know some of this sounds like complaints, but it's not, I really love the bike, just giving some constructive criticism ..looking forward to many miles on it ![]()
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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That's an interesting thought. I've definitely seen Honda clone motors with dissimilar length arms on them, but never wondered why. I can certainly see where a longer arm would provide for less effort, but also more lever travel at the hand.
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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It's the length of the push rod which determines the location of the clutch friction zone. Some bikes have an adjustment for this length, but our RX3 motorcycles do not.
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I'm a structural Draftsmen that works on many problems of this sort on conveyors, I only mentioned it in hopes that maybe CSC would check with Zong about making a shorter actuator arm for the clutch. ![]()
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That's how I'm visualizing it as well. It would be an interesting experiment to fabricate a shorter arm and test it.
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![]() http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...0Manual%20(PDF) Unfortunately, neither of my Honda motorcycles, nor the Zongshen RX3, have the mechanism on the end of the push rod assembly which allows for adjustment of the location where the friction zone engages during clutch lever travel. Therefore, unless someone modifies the length of the clutch push rod, the RX3 clutch will continue to engage at the end of clutch lever travel. My Honda XR650L clutch lever engages at the same location. ![]()
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I'm not trying to change the actual Clutch mechanism, but only change the range needed at the Clutch lever to activate it, which can be done by only changing the lever where it enters the case, a replacement lever there would be a 15 minute job, and would allow the clutch to engage closer to the grip, while still moving the actual clutch mechanism the same amount...would make the clutch pull a little stiffer, but currently it is so easy to pull, a little stiffer would be fine with me.
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That is definitely an interesting project.
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On the Chinese engines I've seen the clutch lever at the engine is made from flat stock with a pin mounted swivel where the cable attaches. Drilling another hole for the pin about 10mm farther in and moving the cable attachment there would increase the movement at the engine. May have to slightly change the angle of the cable housing holder too.
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![]() ![]() The clutch lever and cam are combined in one unit for my Zongshen ZS200GY-2, and the Yamaha TW200. ![]() ![]()
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Thanks for the diagram, I had seen that the arm was a separate piece, when looking over the bike....shouldn't be to difficult to make a modified arm....
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You're welcome.
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took the RX-3 for a loop by Wolfe Creek Dam, around Lake Cumberland Saturday, and got 79 MPG out of it, was running 45-55 mph most of the day...191 miles on 2.39 gallons ...my best MPG so far, all other fill-ups have been in the Mid 60's
I wasn't liking the seat to much by the end of the day....might need to get one of those Sheepskin covers....
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That sounds like a fun ride.
![]() I got 73 mpg, and 76 mpg on my last two tanks of fuel. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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