Learning to weld.

BrianW · 12-10-2010, 07:21 PM

I want to learn how. I don't expect to be a professional or make money doing it. I just want to be able to make, fix, and/or fabricate things at will. Maybe the occasional exhaust repair on the ol' Subaru. When I do a quick Google search, the amount of information that comes up is overwhelming.

yellowxj · 12-10-2010, 08:56 PM

I took a great non certification course at my local adult technical center...check out continuting ed in your area.

Jim · 12-10-2010, 11:18 PM

I think I'd like to learn to, I've done a bit, but my dad or brother have always set the welder up so I just kind of point and shoot, I need more practice, and knowledge.

Weldangrind · 12-10-2010, 11:37 PM

This would be my hot button.

I'm no professional, just a hack. Turns out, you don't have to be a good weldor, just a good grinder.

A MIG is your friend. If you can fog a mirror, you can MIG weld. I bought the Haynes welding manual and read it cover to cover. It covers all processes and includes plasma torches.

Buy a machine that has infinitely variable voltage control, vs a machine with four, five or six voltage selections. As an example, Miller and Hobart are the same company with virtually identical machines in the entry level, but the Hobart only offers six voltage settings. Not ideal.

If I was buying a 110 machine today, it would be this: http://www.eastwood.com/mig-welder-1...5a-output.html

Jim · 12-10-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Turns out, you don't have to be a good weldor, just a good grinder.

2LZ · 12-11-2010, 01:01 AM

Back in the day....it was basically arc or gas that was in an average garage. Now....the wire feed welders they offer can make almost anyone a 'decent, basic welder'.
How do I know? I've never welded because, like most here, I've had friends who welded!

Then my roommate many years back bought one of those Lincoln wire feed units. We got an ice chest full of beer and started welding anything we could find one night in my garage. Even made little stick men out of shake nails.
I still don't concider myself a welder, by any stretch.....but with a wire feed I can stick two pieces together....no matter how ugly! 8O

Harbor Freight has that 89.00 unit....and I have 3 friends who have them.
"Weld....let it cool....it will eventually get it done for the price."

katoranger · 12-11-2010, 08:53 AM

The little units are fine, but like W&G said it can be hard to control voltage. This is especially important with light guage metal.

I have the hobart. It has about 6 settings. I can make it work, but infinite control would be nice.

My Dad will weld usind a oxy acetolene torch and a coat hanger. He has one of the little MIGs. It sits on the shelf because he has more control with the torch.

I only have the hobart so that is what I used.

Now cost for a home welder that runs on a a 110v circuit. $80-$600. Variable control will be at the mid/upper end.

Also to consider. Fluxcore vs shielding gas. Gas is better,but only works well inside the shop. Fluxcure is common on the low end units do to cost.

No bottles to fill or maintain.

I have the option of both, but all my welding is outside so I have been using fluxcore wire.

To sum it up. I grind alot. :wink:

BillR · 12-11-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by yellowxj

I took a great non certification course at my local adult technical center...check out continuting ed in your area.

My recommendation, also.
One of the county high schools in my area offers welding, along with other technical classes.
I plan to get out there and take it...been way to long since my high school shop class... :wink:
Bill R

Weldangrind · 12-12-2010, 11:40 AM

One of our local tool shops also holds welding classes; maybe you can find that in your area.

BrianW · 12-12-2010, 11:54 AM

I currently attend a local technical college. I am studying Historic Building Preservation and Restoration and part of my criteria is blacksmithing and stained glass windows. I am starting stained glass next semester, in which I will learn to spot weld. I anticipate blacksmithing, however, for I will be learning more advanced welding techniques. I'm just impatient.

My program, luckily, shares the same building as the welding program. Maybe I can pick up some extra credit hours there.

Weldangrind · 12-12-2010, 12:51 PM

Blacksmithing would be so cool! I read a turn of the century (last century, that is) blacksmithing book that was fascinating. It talked all about the definition of pig iron, how steel is derived and how to forge weld.

I'm quite envious.

lego1970 · 12-12-2010, 09:53 PM

I have a harbor freight 110/220 welder. Can't remember the amps. Stick welder (for lack of better terms).

What causes the welding rod to stick to the project? I have it set up for 220 and run it off my generator and I wanna say the rods are .30? with the arc shield (again lack of better terms) coating on it. It's sticks both on 110 or 220.

Like Katorangers Dad, I seem to do better with a acetelyne torch and coat hangers.

waynev · 12-12-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lego1970

I have a harbor freight 110/220 welder. Can't remember the amps. Stick welder (for lack of better terms).

What causes the welding rod to stick to the project? I have it set up for 220 and run it off my generator and I wanna say the rods are .30? with the arc shield (again lack of better terms) coating on it. It's sticks both on 110 or 220.

Try using some 3/32" or 1/8" 6013 rod and when you start the arc try sliding it across the metal instead of pushing it into the metal til the arc starts, then it's up to you to keep the rod the proper distance away from the metal, i like to have one hand on the holder and one on the end of the rod when striking the arc, it gives you better control of the tip of the rod.

lego1970 · 12-12-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by waynev

Try using some 3/32" or 1/8" 6013 rod and when you start the arc try sliding it across the metal instead of pushing it into the metal til the arc starts, then it's up to you to keep the rod the proper distance away from the metal, i like to have one hand on the holder and one on the end of the rod when striking the arc, it gives you better control of the tip of the rod.

Ok, I'll look at the rods again and next time I try to weld, I'll focus more on the distance. Thanks.

BTW Waynev, (maybe I've asked you before) do you know of a bar called Carrie's in London? It was about a mile from a copper tubing plant.
I went there a few times when I used to pick up copper from there. People were always pretty nice to me.

waynev · 12-12-2010, 11:36 PM

Yep, it was across the road from the college i went to, ohhh the good ole days, was the tubing plant Wolverine tube?

12-10-2010, 07:21 PM	#1
BrianW Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wheeling, WV native currently living In Natchitoches, LA Posts: 297	Learning to weld. I want to learn how. I don't expect to be a professional or make money doing it. I just want to be able to make, fix, and/or fabricate things at will. Maybe the occasional exhaust repair on the ol' Subaru. When I do a quick Google search, the amount of information that comes up is overwhelming.
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12-10-2010, 11:18 PM	#3
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	I think I'd like to learn to, I've done a bit, but my dad or brother have always set the welder up so I just kind of point and shoot, I need more practice, and knowledge. __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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12-10-2010, 11:37 PM	#4
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	This would be my hot button. I'm no professional, just a hack. Turns out, you don't have to be a good weldor, just a good grinder. A MIG is your friend. If you can fog a mirror, you can MIG weld. I bought the Haynes welding manual and read it cover to cover. It covers all processes and includes plasma torches. Buy a machine that has infinitely variable voltage control, vs a machine with four, five or six voltage selections. As an example, Miller and Hobart are the same company with virtually identical machines in the entry level, but the Hobart only offers six voltage settings. Not ideal. If I was buying a 110 machine today, it would be this: http://www.eastwood.com/mig-welder-1...5a-output.html __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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12-11-2010, 01:01 AM	#6
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,102	Back in the day....it was basically arc or gas that was in an average garage. Now....the wire feed welders they offer can make almost anyone a 'decent, basic welder'. How do I know? I've never welded because, like most here, I've had friends who welded! Then my roommate many years back bought one of those Lincoln wire feed units. We got an ice chest full of beer and started welding anything we could find one night in my garage. Even made little stick men out of shake nails. I still don't concider myself a welder, by any stretch.....but with a wire feed I can stick two pieces together....no matter how ugly! 8O Harbor Freight has that 89.00 unit....and I have 3 friends who have them. "Weld....let it cool....it will eventually get it done for the price." __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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12-11-2010, 08:53 AM	#7
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	The little units are fine, but like W&G said it can be hard to control voltage. This is especially important with light guage metal. I have the hobart. It has about 6 settings. I can make it work, but infinite control would be nice. My Dad will weld usind a oxy acetolene torch and a coat hanger. He has one of the little MIGs. It sits on the shelf because he has more control with the torch. I only have the hobart so that is what I used. Now cost for a home welder that runs on a a 110v circuit. $80-$600. Variable control will be at the mid/upper end. Also to consider. Fluxcore vs shielding gas. Gas is better,but only works well inside the shop. Fluxcure is common on the low end units do to cost. No bottles to fill or maintain. I have the option of both, but all my welding is outside so I have been using fluxcore wire. To sum it up. I grind alot. :wink: __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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12-10-2010, 08:56 PM	#2
yellowxj Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 79	I took a great non certification course at my local adult technical center...check out continuting ed in your area.
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12-12-2010, 11:40 AM	#9
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	One of our local tool shops also holds welding classes; maybe you can find that in your area. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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12-12-2010, 11:54 AM	#10
BrianW Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wheeling, WV native currently living In Natchitoches, LA Posts: 297	I currently attend a local technical college. I am studying Historic Building Preservation and Restoration and part of my criteria is blacksmithing and stained glass windows. I am starting stained glass next semester, in which I will learn to spot weld. I anticipate blacksmithing, however, for I will be learning more advanced welding techniques. I'm just impatient. My program, luckily, shares the same building as the welding program. Maybe I can pick up some extra credit hours there.
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12-12-2010, 12:51 PM	#11
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Blacksmithing would be so cool! I read a turn of the century (last century, that is) blacksmithing book that was fascinating. It talked all about the definition of pig iron, how steel is derived and how to forge weld. I'm quite envious. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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12-12-2010, 09:53 PM	#12
lego1970 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Blue Springs, Missouri. United States Posts: 505	I have a harbor freight 110/220 welder. Can't remember the amps. Stick welder (for lack of better terms). What causes the welding rod to stick to the project? I have it set up for 220 and run it off my generator and I wanna say the rods are .30? with the arc shield (again lack of better terms) coating on it. It's sticks both on 110 or 220. Like Katorangers Dad, I seem to do better with a acetelyne torch and coat hangers.
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12-12-2010, 11:36 PM	#15
waynev Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,097	Yep, it was across the road from the college i went to, ohhh the good ole days, was the tubing plant Wolverine tube?
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