Cf Moto 450mt

Ohiordr · 03-19-2024, 10:25 PM

CF Moto 450mt looks like a pretty badass little bike. Anyone have any news on it?

Gabbiano88 · 03-24-2024, 10:56 PM

It does look pretty sweet

Thumper · 03-25-2024, 10:55 AM

The challenge for the 400+ range adventure tour builds has always been weight, and center of gravity. That engine is mounted kind of high compared to the dual purpose and enduros Hawk, Templar, Brozz, Trailmaster TMs, Titan, CSC TTs... The engines in all of these bikes have the crankshaft much closer to the lower frame stays.

There seems to be an oil sump under the CF Moto twin that pushes it higher in the cradle. And then there are the radiators mounted up high, and the fairing,windshield gear, and a large gas tank. Add luggage and you have a top heavy bike that will take some careful riding to keep upright in the off road environment. And when it goes down, you might want some help lifting it back up!

Too bad a 400cc 2 stroke isn't in the offing. This would provide all of the power and eliminate the valves and camgear from the top of the engine, and it could be mounted lower.

All that said, this CFMoto looks like a ton of fun

and it is way better than those stupid 800+ cc adventure touring bikes which are just plain road bikes masquerading as "off road capable"

I have heard of the nightmares of taking them on single track and going down, unable to pick up the bike without help.

And for the price, nothing else will be close.

XLsior · 08-20-2024, 08:00 PM

Sport Rider · 08-21-2024, 09:07 AM

as I understand, they are supposed to be here this fall. I'm interested in looking them over. Would be a good alternative to my gen 1 KLR.

XLsior · 08-23-2024, 08:58 PM

I'm getting close to saving a deposit and signing a purchase plan...

I need a highway capable machine. that wont guzzel diesel like my van/s or buzz my bones out like a CG250 does...

Going to go to my local dealership to see and get a hands on feel for it.

I have searched CFmoto 450MT on aliexpress and there is already a bunch of bolt on stuff...Also a pretty big scene growing for them here in Australia already...

My only hold out now is any potential paint/color scheme potentially being offered for MY25*

Though I'm fine with the Zephyr Blue TBH.

bigdano711 · 08-24-2024, 07:58 AM

I really thought I wanted one of these bikes. It's the hype machine that has turned me off of it. They have over-baked it and taken too long to release it. Most people who are in the market are going to pass on it and grab something like the Himalayan. I think it's going to flop, save for the YouTube reviewers and extra hype. Too heavy for the trail and "ok" on the highway, kinda misses on both. Leaning hard towards the Lifan KPX 250.

XLsior · 08-24-2024, 11:27 AM

Not Sure why it has not released yet in the US.

They are more or less sold out and are on extended waiting lists in Australia and the UK.

I Trust Nathan's judgment... Anyone who has ridden a CT110 from Australia to the UK and now operates a bike riding business without major sponsors, I would consider a legitimate voice on the matter.

For me it's a perfect bike...

I've done the save on old single cylinder thumper from the scrap heap experience and got a feel for what 250cc can offer...Still have the bike, no intention of selling it.

Some people will prefer a single cylinder...But if I am buying brand new under 10k AUD new I'm going for that 270* parallel twin thank you very much...

I think the new himmy is fugly...I like the old Himmy 411 and would consider it a used market option.

If you're doing mostly single track then I agree the 450MT its not a good choice.

I've come to realize I'm a 90% road person who has to confront rural road conditions. But would like the 50% off road capability when I need it

Thumper · 08-24-2024, 11:50 AM

I saw a fully decked BMW R 1250 GS in a parking lot yesterday. Somehow they kept it under 550 lbs before luggage. But more than $20k

XLsior · 08-24-2024, 01:05 PM

The big GS crowd is another demographic...

Seem to attract the folically challenged midlife crises crowd who enjoy overpriced coffee...

I've got enough back pain in my life already.

To each their own...I'm not really into the whole 2 wheeled land barge.

bigdano711 · 08-24-2024, 06:40 PM

If I looked at it strictly as a road bike...maybe. I still want to experience a Vulcan, but would like to be able to hit a gravel road or trail if I feel like it. Forget that with a Vulcan.

XLsior · 08-24-2024, 07:05 PM

Cruisers and 2 wheeled yachts have a place...Impeccable roads and courteous traffic users help.

My local rough roads and every other vehicle being a SUV or Pickup make a low slung side impact motorcycle target.

I want to be able to do highway speeds in reasonable comfort, I don't intend to live on road though...

but the behemoth ADV machine is a rolling contradiction and I'm not a 7ft weight lifter.

bigdano711 · 08-24-2024, 11:23 PM

That's why I love the Hawk and the KPX 250, you're pretty high up there and visible to drivers on the road. Way more than the 91 Harley FXR. "Loud pipes saves lives" is a false statement when all the drivers around you have their windows rolled up, AC full blast and radio blastin'. I can't tell you how many times an SUV/Pickup/Passenger vehicle almost side-swiped me with a blinker-less lane change. If I can help it, I will never set foot in the SF Bay Area, or California, again.

ProDigit · 08-24-2024, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdano711

That's why I love the Hawk and the KPX 250, you're pretty high up there and visible to drivers on the road. Way more than the 91 Harley FXR. "Loud pipes saves lives" is a false statement when all the drivers around you have their windows rolled up, AC full blast and radio blastin'. I can't tell you how many times an SUV/Pickup/Passenger vehicle almost side-swiped me with a blinker-less lane change. If I can help it, I will never set foot in the SF Bay Area, or California, again.

You might as well get a Vader 150 for that. I can see the top of the roofs of sendans, and sit higher than most non SUV/truck cars.

My only complaint about the 450, is weight.
It's 400+lbs wet weight. For the price and weight, you can get an FZ07.
My limit is really 300lbs, and lighter if possible.
I really love my Vader 150 (258lbs, and now 250lbs after mods and battery swap to a lithium).
My Xpect 200 (~303lbs) feels heavy in comparison.

It's got the power, but options like the KTM or svartpilen are serious contenders if you just buy them for the streets.

XLsior · 08-25-2024, 02:08 AM

Depends where the weight sits...

From What Nathan has explained the MT450 does not feel heavy compared to the Himmy 452.

The FZ07 is not a mid weight ADV. Its a hyper naked 655cc Street bike. Specs sheet suggest the FZ07 is 10kg more than the MT450.

I don't really care along as its about 200KG and 40ish HP

I intend to probaly bolt on another 10KG add soft panniers and my not svelt body mass...

I'm not trying to scrape knees on corners or take off on a crotch rocket.

Granted its got a nice engine...

But is almost 4k more expensive than the 450MT here in Australia. Which is about 1/3 more expensive...

So as far I'm concerned is not even on the same page...

03-19-2024, 10:25 PM	#1
Ohiordr Join Date: Mar 2024 Location: Ohio Posts: 8	Cf Moto 450mt CF Moto 450mt looks like a pretty badass little bike. Anyone have any news on it?
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03-24-2024, 10:56 PM	#2
Gabbiano88 Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Virginia Posts: 24	It does look pretty sweet __________________ 2023 CSC RX4 (Sold September 24') 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan 900
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03-25-2024, 10:55 AM	#3
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,778	The challenge for the 400+ range adventure tour builds has always been weight, and center of gravity. That engine is mounted kind of high compared to the dual purpose and enduros Hawk, Templar, Brozz, Trailmaster TMs, Titan, CSC TTs... The engines in all of these bikes have the crankshaft much closer to the lower frame stays. There seems to be an oil sump under the CF Moto twin that pushes it higher in the cradle. And then there are the radiators mounted up high, and the fairing,windshield gear, and a large gas tank. Add luggage and you have a top heavy bike that will take some careful riding to keep upright in the off road environment. And when it goes down, you might want some help lifting it back up! Too bad a 400cc 2 stroke isn't in the offing. This would provide all of the power and eliminate the valves and camgear from the top of the engine, and it could be mounted lower. All that said, this CFMoto looks like a ton of fun and it is way better than those stupid 800+ cc adventure touring bikes which are just plain road bikes masquerading as "off road capable" I have heard of the nightmares of taking them on single track and going down, unable to pick up the bike without help. And for the price, nothing else will be close. __________________ No matter where you go, there you are Last edited by Thumper; 03-25-2024 at 02:30 PM.
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08-21-2024, 09:07 AM	#5
Sport Rider Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Mooresville NC Posts: 2,116	as I understand, they are supposed to be here this fall. I'm interested in looking them over. Would be a good alternative to my gen 1 KLR. __________________ Dave Bikes I've owned: Suzuki GS450T, Yamaha XS500, Honda V45 Sabre, Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic (2), Suzuki VX800, Kawasaki Ninja 650, Triumph TT600, Honda Superhawk, Kawasaki Concours 1000 (3, including a sidecar rig), Buell XB9R, Kawasaki Nomad 1500, Concours 14, Honda Goldwing (2), Housen Hawk, Suzuki Intruder 1400, Kawasaki KLR650, Victory V92TC.
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08-24-2024, 07:58 AM	#7
bigdano711 Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Big Piney, WY Posts: 626	I really thought I wanted one of these bikes. It's the hype machine that has turned me off of it. They have over-baked it and taken too long to release it. Most people who are in the market are going to pass on it and grab something like the Himalayan. I think it's going to flop, save for the YouTube reviewers and extra hype. Too heavy for the trail and "ok" on the highway, kinda misses on both. Leaning hard towards the Lifan KPX 250. __________________ 2023 Hawk 250 from XPRO off of Amazon MOUNTAIN MAN RC + MOTO on YouTube "If there were more bloody noses, there would be less wars." - Hagbard Celine John 2:15 So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; He scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
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08-20-2024, 08:00 PM	#4
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,455
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08-23-2024, 08:58 PM	#6
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,455	I'm getting close to saving a deposit and signing a purchase plan... I need a highway capable machine. that wont guzzel diesel like my van/s or buzz my bones out like a CG250 does... Going to go to my local dealership to see and get a hands on feel for it. I have searched CFmoto 450MT on aliexpress and there is already a bunch of bolt on stuff...Also a pretty big scene growing for them here in Australia already... My only hold out now is any potential paint/color scheme potentially being offered for MY25* Though I'm fine with the Zephyr Blue TBH.
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08-24-2024, 11:27 AM	#8
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,455	Not Sure why it has not released yet in the US. They are more or less sold out and are on extended waiting lists in Australia and the UK. I Trust Nathan's judgment... Anyone who has ridden a CT110 from Australia to the UK and now operates a bike riding business without major sponsors, I would consider a legitimate voice on the matter. For me it's a perfect bike... I've done the save on old single cylinder thumper from the scrap heap experience and got a feel for what 250cc can offer...Still have the bike, no intention of selling it. Some people will prefer a single cylinder...But if I am buying brand new under 10k AUD new I'm going for that 270* parallel twin thank you very much... I think the new himmy is fugly...I like the old Himmy 411 and would consider it a used market option. If you're doing mostly single track then I agree the 450MT its not a good choice. I've come to realize I'm a 90% road person who has to confront rural road conditions. But would like the 50% off road capability when I need it Last edited by XLsior; 08-24-2024 at 01:08 PM.
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08-24-2024, 11:50 AM	#9
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,778	I saw a fully decked BMW R 1250 GS in a parking lot yesterday. Somehow they kept it under 550 lbs before luggage. But more than $20k __________________ No matter where you go, there you are Last edited by Thumper; 08-25-2024 at 05:49 PM.
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08-24-2024, 01:05 PM	#10
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,455	The big GS crowd is another demographic... Seem to attract the folically challenged midlife crises crowd who enjoy overpriced coffee... I've got enough back pain in my life already. To each their own...I'm not really into the whole 2 wheeled land barge.
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08-24-2024, 06:40 PM	#11
bigdano711 Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Big Piney, WY Posts: 626	If I looked at it strictly as a road bike...maybe. I still want to experience a Vulcan, but would like to be able to hit a gravel road or trail if I feel like it. Forget that with a Vulcan. __________________ 2023 Hawk 250 from XPRO off of Amazon MOUNTAIN MAN RC + MOTO on YouTube "If there were more bloody noses, there would be less wars." - Hagbard Celine John 2:15 So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; He scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
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08-24-2024, 07:05 PM	#12
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,455	Cruisers and 2 wheeled yachts have a place...Impeccable roads and courteous traffic users help. My local rough roads and every other vehicle being a SUV or Pickup make a low slung side impact motorcycle target. I want to be able to do highway speeds in reasonable comfort, I don't intend to live on road though... but the behemoth ADV machine is a rolling contradiction and I'm not a 7ft weight lifter.
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08-24-2024, 11:23 PM	#13
bigdano711 Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Big Piney, WY Posts: 626	That's why I love the Hawk and the KPX 250, you're pretty high up there and visible to drivers on the road. Way more than the 91 Harley FXR. "Loud pipes saves lives" is a false statement when all the drivers around you have their windows rolled up, AC full blast and radio blastin'. I can't tell you how many times an SUV/Pickup/Passenger vehicle almost side-swiped me with a blinker-less lane change. If I can help it, I will never set foot in the SF Bay Area, or California, again. __________________ 2023 Hawk 250 from XPRO off of Amazon MOUNTAIN MAN RC + MOTO on YouTube "If there were more bloody noses, there would be less wars." - Hagbard Celine John 2:15 So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; He scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
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08-25-2024, 02:08 AM	#15
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,455	Depends where the weight sits... From What Nathan has explained the MT450 does not feel heavy compared to the Himmy 452. The FZ07 is not a mid weight ADV. Its a hyper naked 655cc Street bike. Specs sheet suggest the FZ07 is 10kg more than the MT450. I don't really care along as its about 200KG and 40ish HP I intend to probaly bolt on another 10KG add soft panniers and my not svelt body mass... I'm not trying to scrape knees on corners or take off on a crotch rocket. Granted its got a nice engine... But is almost 4k more expensive than the 450MT here in Australia. Which is about 1/3 more expensive... So as far I'm concerned is not even on the same page...
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