GIO Rebel T3 & T2 adventures part3

LostInAlberta · 09-09-2010, 10:39 AM

Well I'm back! Haven't been up to much lately, I broke both quads plus another camera (Don't ask)

I don't have any pictures until my new eBay camera gets here lol.

The 200c T3 Rebel - More welds have given up including the one for the front mount on the gas tank which now produces the most annoying rattle I have ever heard. Now in order to fix it my possibly drunk welder wants me to remove the gas tank and carb? (Clearly he isn't drunk enough to weld near a gas tank? I need to buy him a bottle) So I'll get to take a lot of stuff off.
I've had lots of weld problems with the T3, I think some of it has to do with some super crappy welding and some of it has to do with how hard I ride it =D I took it for a nice trail ride where you usually just see the big 4x4 quads, I was blasting through mud and over logs so that probably explains the weld breaking this time lol.

The 125cc T2 Rebel - My brother rolled it pretty hard going quite fast, he was ripping down a muddy back road when he went too close to some deep ruts and got sucked in flipping the quad. Glad he was wearing the safety gear I bought him! He's OK but the quad isn't.
Surprisingly NONE of the plastic broke lol but the coil broke off the frame from the impact, the back rack broke off, 2 tires won't hold air' and now it won't start at all. I don't know if it's the coil or another problem it seems to be getting a spark but just won't turn over...It was upside down for a few mins.

I'll get some pictures when my camera comes in but any help figuring out why the 125cc won't start would be super! the closest quad guy charges 50 bucks an hour =( Ask me any questions and I shall proved answers! I live around Onoway, AB which is near Edmonton if anyone knows a cheap repair guy.

Cal25 · 09-09-2010, 11:03 AM

The one that was upside down may have leaked some oil into the cylinder.

Weldangrind · 09-09-2010, 02:53 PM

Glad to hear that your brother is ok. 8O

Just to clarify, what do you mean when you say the T2 "seems to be getting a spark but just won't turn over"? I think you mean to say it will turn over but won't fire; is that correct? If so, remove the plug and have a look at it. Is the creamic insulator cracked or broken? Is the plug oily? Just to be sure, I'd pop a new plug in it from Canadian Tire before going any further.

If the tires won't hold air (and if there are no obvious punctures), the bead has simply popped off of the rim. I got really tired of that (so did TurboT), so we installed tubes in ours. Problem solved.

mizke · 09-09-2010, 03:30 PM

put a ratchet strap around the tire and crank it down, then add some air. the strap being cranked down will force the edges of the tire to the rim and air will seat the tire..

LostInAlberta · 09-09-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Just to clarify, what do you mean when you say the T2 "seems to be getting a spark but just won't turn over"? I think you mean to say it will turn over but won't fire; is that correct? If so, remove the plug and have a look at it. Is the creamic insulator cracked or broken? Is the plug oily? Just to be sure, I'd pop a new plug in it from Canadian Tire before going any further.

Sorry, yes. I put a new plug in with no change. I'm not very good with stuff like this so I don't know where to start. Here is a quick video.

TurboT · 09-09-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LostInAlberta

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Just to clarify, what do you mean when you say the T2 "seems to be getting a spark but just won't turn over"? I think you mean to say it will turn over but won't fire; is that correct? If so, remove the plug and have a look at it. Is the creamic insulator cracked or broken? Is the plug oily? Just to be sure, I'd pop a new plug in it from Canadian Tire before going any further.

Sorry, yes. I put a new plug in with no change. I'm not very good with stuff like this so I don't know where to start. Here is a quick video.

Good thing with the video is you can hear the compression whump when it's cranking over.

You should remove the plug to see if it smells like fuel. You say you broke the coil off the frame? Perhaps it is damaged and you made it unserviceable. You may need a multimeter to check what's going on there.

I'd also look around for other broken wires, or some pulled out of the connectors. With a rolly over with damage to an electrical component it's very possible other wires have been dislodged.

I think you mentioned you were getting spark, but how did you determine this?

I'd inspect every fuel line, hose, wire to see if you can find something amiss.

Is there a kill switch/dead man boot on the back of this quad?

mizke · 09-09-2010, 06:46 PM

if you need a new coil i can give you a ebay link to a high performance coil for 14.99 with free shipping.. where as stock coils and other performance coils range from 30 to 50 plus shipping..

maybe just maybe its a bad ground ? while installing my tach/hour meter i found the ground wire that goes to a mounting tab on my coil was fryed and only has half the wires still holding it to the connecter. gonna fix that this weekend to...

LostInAlberta · 09-09-2010, 09:46 PM

That would be great, Mizke. I'll get a new one.

TurboT - I used a spark plug wire tester that was lying around, shows the spark shooting through it. Maybe the coil is shot anyways? After he rolled it he managed to ride it home but it kept stalling out and then finally wouldn't start anymore.

I've tried to check all the wires and have yet to find anything. The boot on the kill switch is still on.

I'll pull out the spark plug when I can (It's raining)

mizke · 09-09-2010, 10:39 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER...Q5fAccessories

12hours untill the it gets relisted, if you have just search through their store for this exact item..

just a suggestion, replace the wire and plug boot with a better.. best would be ngk, accel, any automotive wire and boot but a performance 8mm or 9mm wire and boot would be awsome as well

these give you roughly 50% more voltage over stock

Weldangrind · 09-09-2010, 11:10 PM

[quote="TurboTYou should remove the plug to see if it smells like fuel.[/quote]

X2.

It doesn't sound like it's getting any fuel.

LostInAlberta · 09-10-2010, 06:26 PM

Thanks for the link Mizke, I actually ended up buying quite a few things for that seller =) Cheaper then ordering from GIO that's for sure.

mizke · 09-10-2010, 07:01 PM

ya tell me about it, no matter what i order from gio its expensive. like my cdi for example won the auction at just under 5 bucks, then the 4.95 auction fee and 20 for shipping it came out to 30ish bucks..

LostInAlberta · 09-10-2010, 08:10 PM

I checked the new plug and it does smell like gas

mizke · 09-10-2010, 08:13 PM

well when it comes to electronics you have :

plug
plug wire
coil
cdi
voltage regulator
battery

i think thats it when it comes to the ingition process. your timing could be wrong, might want to think about taking the stator cover off and checking to make sure it is not loose or have any kind of damage to it..

TurboT · 09-11-2010, 05:31 AM

So you're getting fuel on the plug, it's a new plug, you say it's sparking.

A couple things occured to me as I was thinking of this.

Was this wet mud? You could have some crud/water in your connectors which could be causing some electrical gremlins. You may want to go to at them all with some dielectric grease.

If you have a spare CDI unit there you might want to change it. With rolling it it might have smacked around a little and damaged it, and it could be sparking at the wrong time. This is a common problem with some of the dual sports.

What kind of battery is in this quad? Is it sealed or did you have to add the battery acid on assembly? If it was upside down for a couple minutes like you said you may have leaked fluid. It may still be spinning the quad but may not have enough juice to fire the plug under compression. (start up)

Another thing to take a look at it to make sure you A/F screw is still in the carb. A couple of these quads in my circle of friends have vibrated this screw right out. If your's was loose it could have launched out during the flip show, and it won't start or run long with it missing. Just have a look for it and readjust the setting if it's there and if it's missing you found your problem.

I'll leave it at that for you to investigate and report back.

09-09-2010, 10:39 AM	#1
LostInAlberta Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32	GIO Rebel T3 & T2 adventures part3 Well I'm back! Haven't been up to much lately, I broke both quads plus another camera (Don't ask) I don't have any pictures until my new eBay camera gets here lol. The 200c T3 Rebel - More welds have given up including the one for the front mount on the gas tank which now produces the most annoying rattle I have ever heard. Now in order to fix it my possibly drunk welder wants me to remove the gas tank and carb? (Clearly he isn't drunk enough to weld near a gas tank? I need to buy him a bottle) So I'll get to take a lot of stuff off. I've had lots of weld problems with the T3, I think some of it has to do with some super crappy welding and some of it has to do with how hard I ride it =D I took it for a nice trail ride where you usually just see the big 4x4 quads, I was blasting through mud and over logs so that probably explains the weld breaking this time lol. The 125cc T2 Rebel - My brother rolled it pretty hard going quite fast, he was ripping down a muddy back road when he went too close to some deep ruts and got sucked in flipping the quad. Glad he was wearing the safety gear I bought him! He's OK but the quad isn't. Surprisingly NONE of the plastic broke lol but the coil broke off the frame from the impact, the back rack broke off, 2 tires won't hold air' and now it won't start at all. I don't know if it's the coil or another problem it seems to be getting a spark but just won't turn over...It was upside down for a few mins. I'll get some pictures when my camera comes in but any help figuring out why the 125cc won't start would be super! the closest quad guy charges 50 bucks an hour =( Ask me any questions and I shall proved answers! I live around Onoway, AB which is near Edmonton if anyone knows a cheap repair guy.
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09-09-2010, 02:53 PM	#3
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Glad to hear that your brother is ok. 8O Just to clarify, what do you mean when you say the T2 "seems to be getting a spark but just won't turn over"? I think you mean to say it will turn over but won't fire; is that correct? If so, remove the plug and have a look at it. Is the creamic insulator cracked or broken? Is the plug oily? Just to be sure, I'd pop a new plug in it from Canadian Tire before going any further. If the tires won't hold air (and if there are no obvious punctures), the bead has simply popped off of the rim. I got really tired of that (so did TurboT), so we installed tubes in ours. Problem solved. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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09-09-2010, 11:10 PM	#10
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	[quote="TurboTYou should remove the plug to see if it smells like fuel.[/quote] X2. It doesn't sound like it's getting any fuel. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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09-09-2010, 11:03 AM	#2
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	The one that was upside down may have leaked some oil into the cylinder.
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09-09-2010, 03:30 PM	#4
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	put a ratchet strap around the tire and crank it down, then add some air. the strap being cranked down will force the edges of the tire to the rim and air will seat the tire..
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09-09-2010, 06:46 PM	#7
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	if you need a new coil i can give you a ebay link to a high performance coil for 14.99 with free shipping.. where as stock coils and other performance coils range from 30 to 50 plus shipping.. maybe just maybe its a bad ground ? while installing my tach/hour meter i found the ground wire that goes to a mounting tab on my coil was fryed and only has half the wires still holding it to the connecter. gonna fix that this weekend to...
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09-09-2010, 09:46 PM	#8
LostInAlberta Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32	That would be great, Mizke. I'll get a new one. TurboT - I used a spark plug wire tester that was lying around, shows the spark shooting through it. Maybe the coil is shot anyways? After he rolled it he managed to ride it home but it kept stalling out and then finally wouldn't start anymore. I've tried to check all the wires and have yet to find anything. The boot on the kill switch is still on. I'll pull out the spark plug when I can (It's raining)
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09-09-2010, 10:39 PM	#9
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER...Q5fAccessories 12hours untill the it gets relisted, if you have just search through their store for this exact item.. just a suggestion, replace the wire and plug boot with a better.. best would be ngk, accel, any automotive wire and boot but a performance 8mm or 9mm wire and boot would be awsome as well these give you roughly 50% more voltage over stock
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09-10-2010, 06:26 PM	#11
LostInAlberta Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32	Thanks for the link Mizke, I actually ended up buying quite a few things for that seller =) Cheaper then ordering from GIO that's for sure.
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09-10-2010, 07:01 PM	#12
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	ya tell me about it, no matter what i order from gio its expensive. like my cdi for example won the auction at just under 5 bucks, then the 4.95 auction fee and 20 for shipping it came out to 30ish bucks..
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09-10-2010, 08:10 PM	#13
LostInAlberta Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32	I checked the new plug and it does smell like gas
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09-10-2010, 08:13 PM	#14
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	well when it comes to electronics you have : plug plug wire coil cdi voltage regulator battery i think thats it when it comes to the ingition process. your timing could be wrong, might want to think about taking the stator cover off and checking to make sure it is not loose or have any kind of damage to it..
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09-11-2010, 05:31 AM	#15
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	So you're getting fuel on the plug, it's a new plug, you say it's sparking. A couple things occured to me as I was thinking of this. Was this wet mud? You could have some crud/water in your connectors which could be causing some electrical gremlins. You may want to go to at them all with some dielectric grease. If you have a spare CDI unit there you might want to change it. With rolling it it might have smacked around a little and damaged it, and it could be sparking at the wrong time. This is a common problem with some of the dual sports. What kind of battery is in this quad? Is it sealed or did you have to add the battery acid on assembly? If it was upside down for a couple minutes like you said you may have leaked fluid. It may still be spinning the quad but may not have enough juice to fire the plug under compression. (start up) Another thing to take a look at it to make sure you A/F screw is still in the carb. A couple of these quads in my circle of friends have vibrated this screw right out. If your's was loose it could have launched out during the flip show, and it won't start or run long with it missing. Just have a look for it and readjust the setting if it's there and if it's missing you found your problem. I'll leave it at that for you to investigate and report back.
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