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02-21-2011, 02:00 PM | #1 |
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opinions and facts witch is better and why 163fml or 169fm
The 163fml is overhead valves (pushrod )and the 169fml is overhead cam . anyone had both ?
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02-21-2011, 02:29 PM | #2 |
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I've had both. The OHC is much better. That's what I have in The Dirt Rat.
The OHV revs more freely, has a higher redline, makes more seat of the pants power (by a considerable margin), and is a much more faithful Honda clone. Nothing wrong with the OHV, but the OHC is much better IMHO. :wink:
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02-21-2011, 10:48 PM | #4 |
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The Dirt Rat has a 163 FML. Just checked.
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02-22-2011, 03:26 PM | #5 | |
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My Bobber has a 167FMM engine. Do you know what Honda model and year it was cloned from? Thanks, |
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02-22-2011, 04:00 PM | #6 |
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No idea, but except for the electric starter and a 5 (vs 6) speed it seems identical to the 1983 motor that came out of the bike.
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167FML
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I agree about the difficulty of finding reliable info on these Chinese clones. |
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02-23-2011, 03:46 PM | #11 |
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I am a fan of the pushrod motor, simply because it's.... simple.
I loved my GY-5's simplicity. In fact, I think the CG125-derived pushrod motor would be a great basis for a RTW bike - you'd just have to budget a lot more time. But spare parts are everywhere, and in much of the third world, would be far cheaper and more available than any other option. |
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02-23-2011, 07:03 PM | #12 |
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Kawazacky, thanks for that info. I've never heard of that bike, and the motor is certainly similar to the pushrod 200 in my atv. I was never sure if the pushrod motor was a clean slate or not, but I always suspected not.
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02-23-2011, 08:17 PM | #13 |
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It's pretty well accepted that the Chinese engines are all derived from the Honda CG125. I don't know how many parts will interchange... but they look identical from the outside, almost. I don't think the CG125 had the counterbalancer, at least not at first.
Edit: I shouldn't say all Chinese engines. The Zongshen Sierras are Yamaha-derived, and the Quinqi are Suzuki-based. The original Lifanoids were all pretty much Honda-based, though, as far as I can tell. Check out the Feb. Cycle World for a bike with this engine... The Cleveland Cycle Works bobber. I'm surprised there wasn't more of a stir over this China bike article. |
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02-23-2011, 09:14 PM | #14 |
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This is the third China bike forum that I've been active on (the other two have disappeared), and I don't recall ever hearing that model designation. I've studied the pushrod engine (I have two of them), and I've never happened upon anything that looks like them.
Thanks again.
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02-23-2011, 09:17 PM | #15 |
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Kawa,
"Check out the Feb. Cycle World for a bike with this engine... The Cleveland Cycle Works bobber. I'm surprised there wasn't more of a stir over this China bike article." We been talking about a similar bike (same engine) and the Cycle World article over here http://www.chinariders.net/modules.p...wtopic&t=11299 and here http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...F250RTB-Bobber and I went and bought one. |
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