03-19-2017, 04:26 AM | #1 |
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Chinese Dual Sports Comparison
Has anyone ever compiled a list of the differences between the many Chinese dual sports available? To be more specific the physical & licencing differences between the Brozz, Enforcer, Hawk, Magician, Stallion, Storm & TT250 along with any others bikes I missed. Some things I would like to know are:
Make? Model? Cost? Engine Manufacturer? Engine Size? Counter Balanced? Transmission? USD Forks? Wheel Sizes? Kick-starter? Electric Start? Tire Type (knobby, dual or street)? Brakes? Adjustable Suspension? Weight? Seat Height? Cargo Rack? DOT Approved? EPA Approved? CARB Approved? Last edited by Biker_Andy; 05-16-2020 at 05:41 PM. |
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03-19-2017, 10:58 AM | #2 |
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Added a few things to my list... hope you don't mind
Bashan "WILL" 200 (DB-03-R) Cost of Bike? ~$1,400 Engine Manufacturer? Lifan (197cc engine / 164FML Lifan) Transmission? 5 speed Manual Counter Balanced? Yes USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 19" Front & 17" rear (90/90-19 & 110/90-17) (1.85x19 & 2.15x17) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? 80% Street Biased "Dual Sport" Tires DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? 49 State Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 2 piston calipers, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds / Modified bike ~255 pounds Seat Height? ~30 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No Front / Rear Sprocket? 17t / 56t Carb? "Keihin" PZ30 (not a real Keihin... decent copy... can't find Pilot Jet) Spark Plug? "NGK" Copper (not a real NGK... not even a good copy) Instrument Cluster? Analog, in Kilometers (off/slow over 15%), Neutral/Turn/Bright Lights Indicator Lights... No Tachometer, No Fuel Gauge, No Current Gear Indicator Fuel Tank Size? ~2.1 gallons, no reserve on petcock... just "ON" or "OFF" settings "Catalytic Converter"? Yes, 2 of them in the Header Pipe... 1 inside the "Egg" that is under the heat shield and 1 just before the Muffler/Mid Pipe ~~~~~~~ Aftermarket Stuff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Trail Tech Vapor? Yes ~$112 installed, Digital, in Miles (dead accurate for almost any rim/wheel size), Tachometer, Ambient Air and Engine Temperature Sensors Carb? Yes ~$30, "Mikuni" VM26 Exhaust Header? No (due to frame design) Exhaust Muffler? Yes ~$130, FMF Turbine Core II 1-1/4 inch Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Possible...
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03-19-2017, 12:35 PM | #3 |
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Bashan Enforcer
Engine Manufacturer? No idea Stock Carburetor: Kei Hin (Japan) Counter Balanced? No Stock Instrument Cluster? KPH, analog/dial type USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 21" Front and 18" rear Stocker Sprocket: 17/46 teeth count (front/rear) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes, with Remote Start Key Fob Tire Type? Knobby, mostly Dirt DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? Yes, 49 State [/B]Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 1 piston caliper, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds Seat Height? 34 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable, mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No, but it has 4 bolts on rear fender where a rack could/should go Stock Accessories? Comes with stock "Burrito" Tube. Last edited by Ski_rush; 03-20-2017 at 06:30 AM. |
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03-19-2017, 01:00 PM | #4 |
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CARB is California's anal retentive one-state extra runaround that manufacturers have to go through in order to sell bikes in the state of California. The TT250 IS California CARB certified. So is SSR's XF 250. The rest of the 'usual suspects' of enduros are not.
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03-19-2017, 01:52 PM | #5 |
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Bashan Blaze
Engine Manufacturer? Not sure, but I believe Lifan Counter Balanced? Yes USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 18"/21" Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? Off Road Biased "Dual Sport" Tires DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? 49 State Brakes? Front and Rear Drum, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Not sure, I believe just over 300lbs Seat Height? ~33 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Yes Hope you don't mind me cribbing the format from you Azhule! |
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03-19-2017, 03:39 PM | #6 |
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I can see this thread becoming a Sticky. Great idea! I'll add some Brozz info unless someone beats me to it. Also, if the previous posters don't mind adding some info, I think it's a good idea to add the stock gear sizes, analog/digital gauge cluster, and which carburetor the bike comes factory equipped with, in each listing. These are areas that most people mod and could be a deciding factor when purchasing a bike.
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03-20-2017, 05:09 AM | #7 |
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Once all the raw data is here in one place I was planning on putting it all together in a spreadsheet and then saving it and posting it as a jpeg for easy viewing. I agree that once it is completed it should be a sticky. It will make it a lot easier for people to decide on which bike for what purpose. Thanks for all the help so far!
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03-20-2017, 06:57 AM | #9 |
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Hawk 250
Engine Manufacturer? Counter Balanced? No USD Forks? NO Wheel Sizes? 21" Front & 18" Rear Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? Knobbie DOT Approved? No CARB Approved ? No
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03-20-2017, 09:44 AM | #10 |
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The hawk is not CARB or DOT approved just EPA.
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03-20-2017, 11:30 AM | #11 |
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SSR XF250
http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/enduro/xf250.php Engine Manufacturer? QingQi Counter Balanced? No Displacement: 249cc OHC USD Forks? Yes with dampening adjustment. Wheel Sizes? 18 front 17 rear- dual sport tires (dual sport) 17 front 17 rear- street tires (supermoto) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? see above DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? Yes - 50 state approval Brakes? Front and Rear disk, braided lines Weight? 328 lbs Seat Height? 35 inches Rear Shock? Gas mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Yes
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03-20-2017, 08:38 PM | #12 |
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Noted and changed .
But how can it be lice sensed if not DOT approved , just asking ?
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03-20-2017, 08:43 PM | #13 |
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That is the problem with the Hawk hit and miss when it comes to getting it plated.
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