Is the US getting the ZongShen RZ3S 400? (CSC RZ3S Halcyon)

[DoujinDango]

Just as the title says. I've found the bike listed on zongshen's website but can't find anywhere that either has one for sale or even video of the bike in action. No reviews, just (literally) two not-so-good foreign reviews that don't really go into the kind of details or footage I'm looking for. Like, how does the bike look/sound like with someone riding it? Is it a reasonable Ducati Monster clone? 0-60 demonstrated? The bike looks sick with the naked style and trellis frame touch

[JerryHawk250]

Yes, Pre-Order at CSC Motorcycles. https://cscmotorcycles.com/rz3s-haylon-400/
Lots of videos on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...=ZongShen+RZ3S

[Chris_Top_Her]

Apparently it's here and as much as I hate to say it.... it make no sense at the price they are asking for it. A Yamaha MT03 is basically the same price has way better performance (basically +15 hp from a smaller single), and is lighter.. kawasaki z400, also similar price beats it out too. However, in China those same Japanese bikes that cost ~5000usd in the USA (MT03, ninja400,z400 etc) are like and extra 2000usd over there. Where as the price of an Sg4000/RE3 is China is damn near the same msrp as it is from CSC.

[Chris_Top_Her]

Also, this should be in street bikes

[Wild Dog]

Originally Posted by Chris_Top_Her

Apparently it's here and as much as I hate to say it.... it make no sense at the price they are asking for it. A Yamaha MT03 is basically the same price has way better performance (basically +15 hp from a smaller single), and is lighter.. kawasaki z400, also similar price beats it out too. However, in China those same Japanese bikes that cost ~5000usd in the USA (MT03, ninja400,z400 etc) are like and extra 2000usd over there. Where as the price of an Sg4000/RE3 is China is damn near the same msrp as it is from CSC.

The issue the Chinese are going to face in USA and Europe, is pretty much what you mention.
If you check the MSRP in Europe for the a Ninja 650 and a CF Moto 650.. The Ninja is barely just 700 euros more expensive.

[Chris_Top_Her]

Originally Posted by Wild Dog

The issue the Chinese are going to face in USA and Europe, is pretty much what you mention.
If you check the MSRP in Europe for the a Ninja 650 and a CF Moto 650.. The Ninja is barely just 700 euros more expensive.

Price has crept up, as with quality but the price is now same for less..

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by Chris_Top_Her

Apparently it's here and as much as I hate to say it.... it make no sense at the price they are asking for it. A Yamaha MT03 is basically the same price has way better performance (basically +15 hp from a smaller single), and is lighter.. kawasaki z400, also similar price beats it out too. However, in China those same Japanese bikes that cost ~5000usd in the USA (MT03, ninja400,z400 etc) are like and extra 2000usd over there. Where as the price of an Sg4000/RE3 is China is damn near the same msrp as it is from CSC.

As much as I'm a fan of CSC and have owned three of their bikes, I couldn't agree more. For 300.00 more bucks, you can have a brand new Z400. They'll need to beat the equivalent Japanese bikes by a grand to twist the American arm to "take a chance" on a China bike.

[tpelle]

Big thing that the RZ3S (and any of the bikes with the RE3 engine) offers is set screw and lock nut valve adjustment, so that the average owner can perform the valve adjustments himself in his garage with just a few hand tools and a set of feeler gauges. Personally, I refuse to buy any engine with the shim-under-bucket valve adjustments.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by tpelle

Big thing that the RZ3S (and any of the bikes with the RE3 engine) offers is set screw and lock nut valve adjustment, so that the average owner can perform the valve adjustments himself in his garage with just a few hand tools and a set of feeler gauges. Personally, I refuse to buy any engine with the shim-under-bucket valve adjustments.

My first 1970s 4 cylinder bike(s) from Suzuki had cam follower shims for valve adjustment. And I adjusted my valves myself. My dealer allowed me to swap shims after buying just a couple of them, no problem.

And I agree, move this to street bikes

[Megadan]

My VFR is a hybrid of shim on bucket + Roller follower on cam + screw and lock nut valve adjustment. The intake is shims but the exhaust rockers have a roller follower with it's own lash adjustment and after that is set you then have to set the screw and nut on the exhaust side. That isn't even the worst part about doing the valve adjustment on that bike though...

Thankfully since it's built by Honda they are still in spec at the 16k check for basically every bike and only need teeny tiny adjustments at 32k usually.

Heck shims aren't even all that hard to figure out. The only thing that really sucks is having to figure out what you need and order a bunch... and then wait.

[buzz]

No way looks so cheaply made, did you see how small muffler holes are? Not good would not even think of this bike. Every looks cheap not a bad thing, but its not cheap. Buy a Honda an let the good times roll. Not bad mouthing china bikes love mine just not this one.

[Wild Dog]

Originally Posted by buzz

No way looks so cheaply made, did you see how small muffler holes are? Not good would not even think of this bike. Every looks cheap not a bad thing, but its not cheap. Buy a Honda an let the good times roll. Not bad mouthing china bikes love mine just not this one.

But there is something you are missing, the motorcycle just looks pretty much like other 400cc in the same segment. You may not like the design neither do i, but that's far from making it cheap. It has ABS and the braking system is made by Bosch.

About the muffler, here is one from a KTM 390, look at the size. People go nuts about getting an oversized muffler that the only things that does is make more noise with no real gain.





Yes they are pricey, but they are not a CG 125, so don't expect them to be 1000 usd. Let me give you an example

This is the price of CB650R in the UK



7599 pounds "on the road"


Here is the Cfmoto 650GT.



6399 pounds PLUS whatever it cost to be "on the road".

As you can the price is quite close and most likely the CFmoto will cost around 7000 pounds once "on the road".


Chinese can make any quality you want. The price will be accordingly the quality of the product.

[buzz]

Just not for me, or a cfmoto

[Wild Dog]

Originally Posted by buzz

Just not for me, or a cfmoto

Most likely you are not their intended target, but the muffler size is the right one for a motorcylce of that size and the design is similar to others nakeds out there.

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by Wild Dog

Most likely you are not their intended target, but the muffler size is the right one for a motorcylce of that size and the design is similar to others nakeds out there.

From what I understand, EPA (CARB?) require the muffler to hold X-amount of internal volume of gasses to pass regs. Hence, regardless of exit hole size actually required by the bikes displacement, the muffler must be a certain size to satisfy those requirements. Culcune probably has more lowdown on this than I.