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04-29-2018, 04:23 PM | #1 |
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Magician exhaust plate stud broke off and pipe broken from frame
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I have been having a blast riding my Magician out and about but I have an issue now and am trying to fix it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/LYAor5w0cS78MTg22 https://photos.app.goo.gl/ggUb9jSddkfCpus96 So I am thinking of drilling and then what would I used to extract it, a screw or something like that. I noticed the thread http://chinariders.net/showthread.ph...ust+bolt+broke about it but am not sure exactly what will work. My other problem is the exhaust pipe broke off the frame, is this safe to leave or should I get it welded back on? Or maybe any other suggestions? |
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04-29-2018, 04:52 PM | #2 |
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Since you said "get it welded back on", I presume you don't have a welder; that precludes the method of welding a nut onto the broken stud.
If you decide to drill the broken stud out, find a quality industrial tool shop that sells good quality drill bits (like cobalt) as well as left hand drill bits (not joking). Select a size that is roughly half the diameter of the stud. The idea is to use a center punch to locate the middle of the stud, drill into the stud (slowly) and then drill into it again (even more slowly) with a slightly larger left hand drill bit (this time with the drill in reverse). If everything goes your way, the left hand drill bit will catch on the stud as it removes material, causing the broken stud to spin right out. It's magic when it works properly. I stay away from extractors and easy-outs, because I've broken more than I've been successful with. Left hand drill bits have been very successful for me. It's a good idea to extract the other stud and measure the hole depth, so you don't drill too deeply. Rather than welding the tab back onto the stock exhaust, perhaps the eBay exhaust that several members have installed on Hawks would work on your bike. Somebody smarter than me needs to chime in there.
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04-29-2018, 05:10 PM | #3 | |
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I will have to research that exhaust for the Magician unless like you said someone might know. |
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04-30-2018, 11:38 AM | #4 |
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You have the process exactly right. Ask for the best quality bit for drilling steel; I suspect they'll offer a cobalt bit.
I think this is the exhaust that Hawk owners are using, but I'm not sure: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Ex...Na4sl1&vxp=mtr
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04-30-2018, 01:49 PM | #6 |
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I have seen one Magician using the same eBay CRF230 exhaust that us Hawk owners use. While it does fit, I do believe it has to be modified a bit for the muffler to work, and you can tell by looking that it isn't really meant for the bike. It's a little on the long side.
There are a couple of exhausts made for the Magician style bikes that can be found on TaoBao. This OTOM exhaust is one, and comes with a removable silencer. http://www.engtaobao.com/item/taobao/547695211685.html
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05-16-2018, 11:13 PM | #7 |
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It's looks like I won't be getting the stud out after all... Where can I get a new Cylinder Head for my magician 250?
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05-17-2018, 10:13 AM | #8 |
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Use The Head You've Got
I have a Hawk and also faced the problem of a broken off exhaust stud. I took the engine out of the frame and tried to remove the remaining stud and that one also wrung off. Rather than extract the broken pieces still in the cylinder head I drilled and tapped new holes beside the old stud locations. There is enough room for them. A machine shop I consulted recommended I drill the new holes to a depth 1.5 times the diameter of the replacement studs. I did and the new studs are still holding fine after several months. So, you may be able to use your head (the one you've already got) to hold your Magician together.
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05-17-2018, 10:33 AM | #9 | |
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05-17-2018, 12:44 PM | #13 |
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Thanks JerryHawk for the idea! I will try to get the other stud out with some vice grips and take that to Autozone to get another one with the larger base stud for the other one. What size stud should I be looking to get?
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05-17-2018, 01:22 PM | #14 |
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Check see what the auto parts has available and go from there. It won't matter if it's SAE or metric as long as you can get her up and running.
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05-17-2018, 01:40 PM | #15 |
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Just going to make this suggestion, but if you take the head in to a local machine shop, they can probably extract that stud without damaging the threads for a relatively small fee.
Worst case scenario, order a replacement head through CSC for the TT250. The only real difference will be that you need to make a block off plate for the air injection port on the exhaust side. $85 for a complete head already painted black and ready to go.
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