Hellcat finally snapped

DudeMantia · 05-17-2018, 02:19 AM

I guess I just pushed my bike too hard but while riding, the choke plate inside my PZ25 Carb ended up breaking in half. I found a large piece of the plate on the other side of the carb that got stuck on its way to the manifold. The worst of it all is that a small chunk got sucked into the engine somehow, and now the bike turns over but won't start up. I really should have switched the carb sooner, the plate itself had signs of it being over tightened from factory.

I'll have some pictures within the week, I'm taking it over to a shop to crack it open and see the damage soonish.

In any case a new engine doesn't exactly break the bank to hard.

Hope it doesn't come to that though.

DudeMantia · 05-17-2018, 02:32 AM

This is where the plate was.

**JerryHawk250** · 05-17-2018, 08:47 AM

Hopefully it just got stuck in the intake valve and not letting it close.

lineman55 · 05-17-2018, 05:26 PM

That royally sucks. That is not a part that should freaking break. I'd be livid over that. I see the two phillips head screws, they didn't loosen up, the plate just broke? What the hell is up with that? Did you get stranded far?

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Originally Posted by DudeMantia

I guess I just pushed my bike too hard but while riding, the choke plate inside my PZ25 Carb ended up breaking in half. I found a large piece of the plate on the other side of the carb that got stuck on its way to the manifold. The worst of it all is that a small chunk got sucked into the engine somehow, and now the bike turns over but won't start up. I really should have switched the carb sooner, the plate itself had signs of it being over tightened from factory.

I'll have some pictures within the week, I'm taking it over to a shop to crack it open and see the damage soonish.

In any case a new engine doesn't exactly break the bank to hard.

Hope it doesn't come to that though.

DudeMantia · 05-17-2018, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lineman55

That royally sucks. That is not a part that should freaking break. I'd be livid over that. I see the two phillips head screws, they didn't loosen up, the plate just broke? What the hell is up with that? Did you get stranded far?

It wasn't too bad, Just a nearby town. I kind of worry about taking it to busy areas. All I had to do to take it home was toss it in the back of a truck with the help of another person. really light bike, I could see an opportunistic thief going for it at some point.

I was unsure if the plate just got too loose and the vibration broke it in half, but It looked as if the screw heads were tightened down pretty hard on the piece I found.

Chinabike · 05-17-2018, 07:17 PM

shit that sucks man, sorry to hear.
I'll go look at my stock carb, its in a box.

Chinabike · 05-17-2018, 07:39 PM

If it helps any.
So the screws stayed intacked?

Hellkitty · 05-17-2018, 08:56 PM

That should have never happened. Let me ask you, besides the carb issue, how has your Hellcat been holding up? How many miles do you have on it? Have you had any other issues? Just curious because I have one.

DudeMantia · 05-17-2018, 09:15 PM

The red part got sucked into the engine, I have the green part around here somewhere.

I bought this bike with the intention of learning about the mechanics of it all, but I never really planned for this kind of issue.

Would it be a decent idea to take just the head off and look around in there for a start?

**JerryHawk250** · 05-17-2018, 09:24 PM

That big of a piece couldn't of gotten to far. I would pull the head.

DudeMantia · 05-17-2018, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellkitty

That should have never happened. Let me ask you, besides the carb issue, how has your Hellcat been holding up? How many miles do you have on it? Have you had any other issues? Just curious because I have one.

It was running absolutely fine, I put 1600 miles on mine and changed the oil a few times. Only thing I've had to fix on it before was the High beam on my headlight burnt out. Beyond what happened recently which was avoidable I would say hellcats are worth it. It's going to eventually teach me about engines, and how motorcycles work.

eventually...

Chinabike · 05-17-2018, 09:57 PM

You sure its not just stuck in the intake pipe?
If its in the head hopefully it didn't tear anything up in there.

BlackBike · 05-17-2018, 11:20 PM

Did you hear the engine rattle before it shut down. If injested, I think you would have heard the bag-o-change sound. If somethingsin there, I would think you could remove the plug and turn the engine (by hand?) to feel if it gets blocked by forgiven object. But then again, that s a small flat piece. Let's hope for the best.

Weldangrind · 05-18-2018, 02:07 PM

X2 on pulling the intake tube, like Chinabike says. You might get luck and be able to fish it out with needle nose pliers. A magnet might also do the trick, since the intake and the head are likely alloy, whereas the choke plate is probably plated steel.

Chinabike · 05-18-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

X2 on pulling the intake tube, like Chinabike says. You might get luck and be able to fish it out with needle nose pliers. A magnet might also do the trick, since the intake and the head are likely alloy, whereas the choke plate is probably plated steel.

Do what Weldangrind said first before you pull head. Try a long flexible magnet

05-17-2018, 02:19 AM	#1
DudeMantia Join Date: May 2018 Location: California Posts: 30	Hellcat finally snapped I guess I just pushed my bike too hard but while riding, the choke plate inside my PZ25 Carb ended up breaking in half. I found a large piece of the plate on the other side of the carb that got stuck on its way to the manifold. The worst of it all is that a small chunk got sucked into the engine somehow, and now the bike turns over but won't start up. I really should have switched the carb sooner, the plate itself had signs of it being over tightened from factory. I'll have some pictures within the week, I'm taking it over to a shop to crack it open and see the damage soonish. In any case a new engine doesn't exactly break the bank to hard. Hope it doesn't come to that though. Last edited by DudeMantia; 05-17-2018 at 04:03 AM.
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BlackBike Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: George West, Texas Posts: 4,097	Did you hear the engine rattle before it shut down. If injested, I think you would have heard the bag-o-change sound. If somethingsin there, I would think you could remove the plug and turn the engine (by hand?) to feel if it gets blocked by forgiven object. But then again, that s a small flat piece. Let's hope for the best. __________________ ***************************************** 2015 Bashan"Blaze" BS250GY-31 (DB-07K-250) GONE 2017 Suzuki V Strom 650 XT "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~Benjamin Franklin~
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05-18-2018, 02:07 PM	#14
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	X2 on pulling the intake tube, like Chinabike says. You might get luck and be able to fish it out with needle nose pliers. A magnet might also do the trick, since the intake and the head are likely alloy, whereas the choke plate is probably plated steel. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-17-2018, 07:17 PM	#6
Chinabike Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 361	shit that sucks man, sorry to hear. I'll go look at my stock carb, its in a box.
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05-17-2018, 07:39 PM	#7
Chinabike Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 361	If it helps any. So the screws stayed intacked?
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05-17-2018, 08:56 PM	#8
Hellkitty Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 216	That should have never happened. Let me ask you, besides the carb issue, how has your Hellcat been holding up? How many miles do you have on it? Have you had any other issues? Just curious because I have one.
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05-17-2018, 09:57 PM	#12
Chinabike Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 361	You sure its not just stuck in the intake pipe? If its in the head hopefully it didn't tear anything up in there.
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