Honda Style Oil Filter Rotor

Weldangrind · 05-19-2010, 08:02 PM

Several of us have the Honda style engines, even the Zonshen engine in my Beast is a Honda clone. It occurred to me that China Riders might benefit from some Honda tech.

I was building my son's XR200R in the shop, and I took some photos of the oil filter rotor. It is common to the overhead cam Honda engines, and I only presume that the pushrod engines use the same setup. If not, then the OHC folks here can hopefully benefit.

Here's a shot of an '83 XR200R side cover for China bike comparison:

Here's the same engine with the cover removed. The oil filter rotor is at the upper right with three phillips head screws securing the cover:

Here's the oil filter rotor with the cover removed. If you decide to remove the cover, be prepared to scoop plenty of goo out of it. These old OHC Honda engines carve quite a bit of aluminum with the timing chain slapping around. The aluminum bits get trapped in the rotor. This one looked like it was packed with anti-seize. 8O You can also see the tool that's necessary for removing the oil filter rotor or the clutch. I got mine for around $10 on eBay, and it's made in the USA.

If you chose to remove the entire rotor (not necessary), you'd find a specific washer under the nut that says OUT SIDE. Pay attention to that. BTW, the same nut and washer secures the clutch assembly.

Here's a shot with the oil filter rotor removed:

The Honda clones have the same cleanable mesh oil filter as the Hondas, and when you see aluminum bits in the filter, it's time to clean out the oil filter rotor. Plan on a new side cover gasket and a new oil filter rotor gasket.

Jim · 05-19-2010, 11:46 PM

I got the same tool from 3D cycle but I can't recall what the price was, good to have though...

SpudRider · 05-20-2010, 12:58 AM

Thank you for posting the superb writeup, and the excellent photos, WG!

Spud

Weldangrind · 05-20-2010, 02:27 AM

You're welcome Spud. I hope to learn that this info is useful on China bike Honda clones.

Cal25 · 05-20-2010, 07:59 AM

Thanks for the great tip with photos!

katoranger · 05-20-2010, 08:53 AM

Made in the USA.

I feel equally good about seeing something that says made in Canada. I know it is probably a quality product.

Jim · 05-20-2010, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katoranger

I feel equally good about seeing something that says made in Canada. I know it is probably a quality product.

So true!

Weldangrind · 05-20-2010, 09:13 PM

Mmmmm, poutine! I can hear my arteries hardening. My 15yo thinks that's a major food group.

Jim · 05-20-2010, 11:24 PM

Yeah definitely not recommended for eating on a regular basis...

SpudRider · 05-20-2010, 11:31 PM

Jim and WG have added to my cultural literacy; until now, I had never heard of poutine!

Spud

TurboT · 05-21-2010, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider

Jim and WG have added to my cultural literacy; until now, I had never heard of poutine!

Spud

Awww duuuude..

Fries with cheese curds and gravy! Something special right there... Thanks Quebec.

TurboT · 05-21-2010, 02:41 AM

..sorry for the thread drift, from oil filters to poutine, something greasy everywhere.

..on to the topic..D, thanks for posting the internals of a bike motor, fascinating for a guy used to V* Chev's and Fords. (and some Dodge's..and John Deere's and Perkins and sheesh even a Hatz single cylinder

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I'm curious on the whole clutch/oil pump spacer issue you posted about, if you could not use some form of spacer on the bottom to push the housing up to clear your Gio clutch? At first I thought well that it would be in the way of the other side of the case, but if the clutch is higher up wouldn't it be in the way too? I know you said you removed some discs for the oil pump etc to make it work.. Hope you're following I'm a bit rambly.

Jim · 05-21-2010, 03:31 AM

Not sure, but if you space out the oil filter rotor, you may not have enough threading left to put the nut back on?

Weldangrind · 05-21-2010, 11:47 AM

That's exactly my concern. Also, the shaft that the oil filter rotor mounts on is splined, and I don't want to risk damaging the splines with a flat spacer.

If I could find a later model XR200 ('86 to '02) to look at, I could determine if they use the beefier clutch with a modified oil filter rotor.

One day, I'm gonna remove the side cover of TurboT's Beast to answer my questions. I don't own a bolt in his quad.

katoranger · 05-21-2010, 11:56 AM

Well, let me zip that sidecover off and take some pics.

05-19-2010, 08:02 PM	#1
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Honda Style Oil Filter Rotor Several of us have the Honda style engines, even the Zonshen engine in my Beast is a Honda clone. It occurred to me that China Riders might benefit from some Honda tech. I was building my son's XR200R in the shop, and I took some photos of the oil filter rotor. It is common to the overhead cam Honda engines, and I only presume that the pushrod engines use the same setup. If not, then the OHC folks here can hopefully benefit. Here's a shot of an '83 XR200R side cover for China bike comparison: Here's the same engine with the cover removed. The oil filter rotor is at the upper right with three phillips head screws securing the cover: Here's the oil filter rotor with the cover removed. If you decide to remove the cover, be prepared to scoop plenty of goo out of it. These old OHC Honda engines carve quite a bit of aluminum with the timing chain slapping around. The aluminum bits get trapped in the rotor. This one looked like it was packed with anti-seize. 8O You can also see the tool that's necessary for removing the oil filter rotor or the clutch. I got mine for around $10 on eBay, and it's made in the USA. If you chose to remove the entire rotor (not necessary), you'd find a specific washer under the nut that says OUT SIDE. Pay attention to that. BTW, the same nut and washer secures the clutch assembly. Here's a shot with the oil filter rotor removed: The Honda clones have the same cleanable mesh oil filter as the Hondas, and when you see aluminum bits in the filter, it's time to clean out the oil filter rotor. Plan on a new side cover gasket and a new oil filter rotor gasket. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-19-2010, 11:46 PM	#2
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	I got the same tool from 3D cycle but I can't recall what the price was, good to have though... __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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05-20-2010, 12:58 AM	#3
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Thank you for posting the superb writeup, and the excellent photos, WG! Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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05-20-2010, 02:27 AM	#4
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	You're welcome Spud. I hope to learn that this info is useful on China bike Honda clones. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-20-2010, 08:53 AM	#6
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Made in the USA. I feel equally good about seeing something that says made in Canada. I know it is probably a quality product. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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05-20-2010, 07:59 AM	#5
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	Thanks for the great tip with photos!
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05-20-2010, 09:13 PM	#8
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Mmmmm, poutine! I can hear my arteries hardening. My 15yo thinks that's a major food group. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-20-2010, 11:24 PM	#9
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	Yeah definitely not recommended for eating on a regular basis... __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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05-20-2010, 11:31 PM	#10
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Jim and WG have added to my cultural literacy; until now, I had never heard of poutine! Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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05-21-2010, 02:41 AM	#12
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	..sorry for the thread drift, from oil filters to poutine, something greasy everywhere. ..on to the topic..D, thanks for posting the internals of a bike motor, fascinating for a guy used to V* Chev's and Fords. (and some Dodge's..and John Deere's and Perkins and sheesh even a Hatz single cylinder ) I'm curious on the whole clutch/oil pump spacer issue you posted about, if you could not use some form of spacer on the bottom to push the housing up to clear your Gio clutch? At first I thought well that it would be in the way of the other side of the case, but if the clutch is higher up wouldn't it be in the way too? I know you said you removed some discs for the oil pump etc to make it work.. Hope you're following I'm a bit rambly.
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05-21-2010, 03:31 AM	#13
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	Not sure, but if you space out the oil filter rotor, you may not have enough threading left to put the nut back on? __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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05-21-2010, 11:47 AM	#14
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	That's exactly my concern. Also, the shaft that the oil filter rotor mounts on is splined, and I don't want to risk damaging the splines with a flat spacer. If I could find a later model XR200 ('86 to '02) to look at, I could determine if they use the beefier clutch with a modified oil filter rotor. One day, I'm gonna remove the side cover of TurboT's Beast to answer my questions. I don't own a bolt in his quad. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-21-2010, 11:56 AM	#15
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Well, let me zip that sidecover off and take some pics. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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