2012 Honda CRF250L: A Dual Sport CBR250R! - Page 7

Weldangrind · 05-02-2012, 11:34 AM

These discussions bring a point of negotiation with the dealer. Thanks to the 'net, we can determine that the CBR and the CRF are similarly priced in other countries.

FastDoc · 05-02-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

That's a tall order, but not impossible. Doc wanted a similar amount for his old Zong, but that's because he thought it was possessed.

Are you stuck on a Q or Zong, or would you accept another Honda clone?

I'm not so sure it wasn't.

Matthew 8:31

And the demons begged him, saying, â€œIf you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.â€

After it tried to kill me it tried to kill it's new owner on his way home from picking it up at my house! It was a 10 mile ride for him! He ended up in the hospital with a broken arm.

I regret selling that bike though. It was in excellent shape with only a few minor scratches when I sold it, for about $700 IIRC.

Weldangrind · 05-02-2012, 11:45 AM

I wanted it badly. I couldn't register it here, because it's not on the list of vehicles that can be imported into Canada.

SpudRider · 05-02-2012, 11:50 AM

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I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L.

Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well.

The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan.

Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all.

Spud

That would be awesome I just don't see them undercutting Kawasaki by a lot, and Yamaha by a huge amount. I would think they'd price it in between the two, likely closer to the Yamaha. But I don't know.

I've concluded the best thing to do is wait and see what Honda announces.

Honda Canada and Honda U.S.A. should both be making announcements in a few weeks. Therefore, rather than speculate, I'm just going to wait and see what they say.

Whatever price Honda places on the CRF250L, the CBR250R is a superb deal at $4,099 USD.

Spud

katoranger · 05-02-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

That's a tall order, but not impossible. Doc wanted a similar amount for his old Zong, but that's because he thought it was possessed.

Are you stuck on a Q or Zong, or would you accept another Honda clone?

I would go for another clone. At my price point I am not expecting a ready to go bike.

Also considering any older Jap models.

SpudRider · 05-02-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FastDoc

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Originally Posted by SpudRider

I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L.

Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well.

The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan.

Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all.

Spud

That would be awesome I just don't see them undercutting Kawasaki by a lot, and Yamaha by a huge amount. I would think they'd price it in between the two, likely closer to the Yamaha. But I don't know.

Only time will tell, Doc.

Hopefully we will have the answer in a few weeks.

I'm sure Honda can inflate the price on the CRF250L, and still sell a lot of bikes in North America. However, I can't see where the price of manufacturing the CRF250L would be much higher than that of the CBR250R. :roll:

Spud

SpudRider · 05-02-2012, 12:43 PM

Honda is selling the CBR250R and CRF250L for the same price in Japan. I wonder if consumers will pay substantially more for the CRF250L in North America? Honda has good chance to blow away the competition if it prices this bike fairly.

Spud

FastDoc · 05-02-2012, 12:46 PM

I don't know why the dirt/motocross bikes are so expensive but they are.

The 450 class is $8,500- $10,000.

The 250's are $7,000- $9,000.

That's in the price range of some very sophisticated 4 cylinder sport bikes, heavy cruisers, and light tourers.

I don't get it but it is what it is. :?

Weldangrind · 05-02-2012, 01:40 PM

In the dirt world, sponsors pay the bill. It's a sport for those with considerable disposable income. Yamahondakawazuki knows that, and they charge accordingly.

SpudRider · 05-02-2012, 01:42 PM

I always thought one of the reasons for the relatively high cost of dual sport bikes was the superior suspension. Also, the manufacturers need to meet EPA restrictions for noise, pollution, et cetera. In addition, the manufacturers need to meet DOT standards for exhaust sound levels, lighting, et cetera. In this instance, all the EPA and DOT criteria have been met with the introduction of the CBR250R.

The CRF250L has a new frame, and a better suspension than the CBR250R. However, I think Honda can sell the CRF250L for about the same price as the CBR250R; whether they choose to do so is an entirely different matter. :roll:

Spud

MICRider · 05-02-2012, 08:01 PM

I'm anxious to see what it sells for here in Canada... I'm guessing around $7K but I would love to be proven wrong

. It looks like pretty much the ideal trail riding bike to me, fairly zippy and light. If it was under 7K I would seriously consider prying open my wallet again... :wink:

SpudRider · 05-02-2012, 11:09 PM

Check one of my earlier posts, Stew. At least one source believes Honda Canada will price the CRF250L with an MSRP of CN$5,000.

Spud

MICRider · 05-03-2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SpudRider

Check one of my earlier posts, Stew. At least one source believes Honda Canada will price the CRF250L with an MSRP of CN$5,000.

Spud

Ima scoop one if they do

FastDoc · 05-03-2012, 12:29 AM

I'd love it but I still vote for higher.

The CR250F is $7,420 MSRP.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/20.../05/index.html

FastDoc · 05-03-2012, 12:32 AM

My bet remains $5,999 USD.

05-02-2012, 11:34 AM	#91
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	These discussions bring a point of negotiation with the dealer. Thanks to the 'net, we can determine that the CBR and the CRF are similarly priced in other countries. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-02-2012, 11:45 AM	#93
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I wanted it badly. I couldn't register it here, because it's not on the list of vehicles that can be imported into Canada. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-02-2012, 12:43 PM	#97
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Honda is selling the CBR250R and CRF250L for the same price in Japan. I wonder if consumers will pay substantially more for the CRF250L in North America? Honda has good chance to blow away the competition if it prices this bike fairly. Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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05-02-2012, 12:46 PM	#98
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I don't know why the dirt/motocross bikes are so expensive but they are. The 450 class is $8,500- $10,000. The 250's are $7,000- $9,000. That's in the price range of some very sophisticated 4 cylinder sport bikes, heavy cruisers, and light tourers. I don't get it but it is what it is. :? __________________ Happy to serve.
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05-02-2012, 01:40 PM	#99
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	In the dirt world, sponsors pay the bill. It's a sport for those with considerable disposable income. Yamahondakawazuki knows that, and they charge accordingly. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-02-2012, 01:42 PM	#100
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	I always thought one of the reasons for the relatively high cost of dual sport bikes was the superior suspension. Also, the manufacturers need to meet EPA restrictions for noise, pollution, et cetera. In addition, the manufacturers need to meet DOT standards for exhaust sound levels, lighting, et cetera. In this instance, all the EPA and DOT criteria have been met with the introduction of the CBR250R. The CRF250L has a new frame, and a better suspension than the CBR250R. However, I think Honda can sell the CRF250L for about the same price as the CBR250R; whether they choose to do so is an entirely different matter. :roll: Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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05-02-2012, 08:01 PM	#101
MICRider Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,274	I'm anxious to see what it sells for here in Canada... I'm guessing around $7K but I would love to be proven wrong . It looks like pretty much the ideal trail riding bike to me, fairly zippy and light. If it was under 7K I would seriously consider prying open my wallet again... :wink:
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05-02-2012, 11:09 PM	#102
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Check one of my earlier posts, Stew. At least one source believes Honda Canada will price the CRF250L with an MSRP of CN$5,000. Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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05-03-2012, 12:29 AM	#104
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I'd love it but I still vote for higher. The CR250F is $7,420 MSRP. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/20.../05/index.html __________________ Happy to serve.
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05-03-2012, 12:32 AM	#105
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	My bet remains $5,999 USD. __________________ Happy to serve.
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