My Zong 150GY and Ride Log - Page 7

jeremy2011 · 12-13-2011, 12:00 AM

did change the clutch spring, kitti racing brand (actually used for HONDA 110cc scoots)... big difference!
so it's not suzuki but again Honda parts inside.

SpudRider · 12-13-2011, 01:00 AM

Thanks for posting the update, and the photographs of the engine's internal parts, Jeremy.

Does anyone know if Honda manufactured an engine similar to this one?

Spud

FastDoc · 12-13-2011, 01:18 AM

That polymer oil pump gear and centrifugal oil filter are pure Honda. Looks exactly like an XR200 in there.

SpudRider · 12-13-2011, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FastDoc

That polymer oil pump gear and centrifugal oil filter are pure Honda. Looks exactly like an XR200 in there.

Do you think Zongshen reduced either the bore, or bore & stroke to get a smaller, 150cc displacement? Is so, Zongshen might have kept the rest of the bottom end of the engine the same, and added a water cooled cylinder.

In any event, it's nice to know that Honda parts will probably fit this engine.

Spud

Weldangrind · 12-13-2011, 10:18 AM

The clutch is slightly different from an XR200, but the oil pump pickup looks the same. Honda has a 150 in the CRF line, so that displacement already exists in nature. The CRF150R is also liquid cooled.

FastDoc · 12-13-2011, 11:21 AM

That's probably the clone.

FastDoc · 12-13-2011, 11:31 AM

I looked up the clutch on BB for the CRF150 and it looks the same as the ZS. I think we have identified the clone. :wink:

SpudRider · 12-13-2011, 01:59 PM

Let's start examining some photos, and see if the engines look the same.

Here are several photographs of the engine in the CRF150F.

Spud

SpudRider · 12-13-2011, 02:01 PM

It seems the cylinder head and spark plug placement are different. :?

Spud

FastDoc · 12-13-2011, 02:12 PM

Could be (I hope not) a hybrid clone, ala XY's 400 Rotax/Honda engine :? . I don't like it when the Chinese come up with their own ideas :roll: . I wish they would make a faithful clone of the XR400, but I don't see them doing that anytime soon I'm afraid.

SpudRider · 12-13-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FastDoc

Could be (I hope not) a hybrid clone, ala XY's 400 Rotax/Honda engine :? . I don't like it when the Chinese come up with their own ideas :roll: . I wish they would make a faithful clone of the XR400, but I don't see them doing that anytime soon I'm afraid.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I agree on all points.

I wish Zongshen would make a faithful copy of the XR400R.

I want a genuine Chinese copy of a mid-displacment, Japanese, dual sport motorcycle!

Spud

Weldangrind · 12-13-2011, 03:57 PM

Spud, that just gets funnier each time.

SpudRider · 12-13-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Spud, that just gets funnier each time.

Accept no imitations! 8O I demand a genuine, Chinese copy! :P

Spud

tonyscott123 · 12-18-2011, 08:59 AM

Jeremy, thanks for the specs, the suspension travel was what I was looking for. 7 inches isn't huge, but much better than the usual 3 to 4 inches most other local machines seem to offer.

As you mentioned, it is the Yammie YBR is more of a road bike, likely based on an older Euro YBR, just with some dual sport trappings like the 50/50 tires, rack, upright bars and so on.

http://www.motorstar.com.ph/products/road has the links for the Motorstar (Zongshen) 200 and 155 (150) models as sold in the Philippines.

Interesting that the water-cooled 150 makes more power than the air-cooled 200.
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jeremy2011 · 12-18-2011, 11:46 PM

spud, et al... thanks for the "quest", no doubt we'll all end up with a good laugh! so keep it rollin'!

tonny, yep.. the 7" is still not enough... it bottoms out easily - 'had it twice yesterday, running on a pond of water just about a little over afoot deep drop surprise.... for 200 pounder i can hear the scary thug sounded like a big warning, hehe.... but still 'survived and should be ok...

sharing you how it is today here... worst december month we have now.
'should be a cooler dry season but turned out to be very rainy!

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SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Thanks for posting the update, and the photographs of the engine's internal parts, Jeremy. Does anyone know if Honda manufactured an engine similar to this one? Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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12-13-2011, 01:18 AM	#93
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	That polymer oil pump gear and centrifugal oil filter are pure Honda. Looks exactly like an XR200 in there. __________________ Happy to serve.
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12-13-2011, 10:18 AM	#95
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	The clutch is slightly different from an XR200, but the oil pump pickup looks the same. Honda has a 150 in the CRF line, so that displacement already exists in nature. The CRF150R is also liquid cooled. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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12-13-2011, 11:21 AM	#96
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	That's probably the clone. __________________ Happy to serve.
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12-13-2011, 11:31 AM	#97
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I looked up the clutch on BB for the CRF150 and it looks the same as the ZS. I think we have identified the clone. :wink: __________________ Happy to serve.
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12-13-2011, 12:00 AM	#91
jeremy2011 Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 75	did change the clutch spring, kitti racing brand (actually used for HONDA 110cc scoots)... big difference! so it's not suzuki but again Honda parts inside.
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12-13-2011, 01:59 PM	#98
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Let's start examining some photos, and see if the engines look the same. Here are several photographs of the engine in the CRF150F. Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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12-13-2011, 02:01 PM	#99
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	It seems the cylinder head and spark plug placement are different. :? Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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12-13-2011, 02:12 PM	#100
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Could be (I hope not) a hybrid clone, ala XY's 400 Rotax/Honda engine :? . I don't like it when the Chinese come up with their own ideas :roll: . I wish they would make a faithful clone of the XR400, but I don't see them doing that anytime soon I'm afraid. __________________ Happy to serve.
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12-13-2011, 03:57 PM	#102
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Spud, that just gets funnier each time. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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12-18-2011, 08:59 AM	#104
tonyscott123 Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 22	Specs / links for 200 and 155 Jeremy, thanks for the specs, the suspension travel was what I was looking for. 7 inches isn't huge, but much better than the usual 3 to 4 inches most other local machines seem to offer. As you mentioned, it is the Yammie YBR is more of a road bike, likely based on an older Euro YBR, just with some dual sport trappings like the 50/50 tires, rack, upright bars and so on. http://www.motorstar.com.ph/products/road has the links for the Motorstar (Zongshen) 200 and 155 (150) models as sold in the Philippines. Interesting that the water-cooled 150 makes more power than the air-cooled 200. [/u]
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12-18-2011, 11:46 PM	#105
jeremy2011 Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 75	spud, et al... thanks for the "quest", no doubt we'll all end up with a good laugh! so keep it rollin'! tonny, yep.. the 7" is still not enough... it bottoms out easily - 'had it twice yesterday, running on a pond of water just about a little over afoot deep drop surprise.... for 200 pounder i can hear the scary thug sounded like a big warning, hehe.... but still 'survived and should be ok... sharing you how it is today here... worst december month we have now. 'should be a cooler dry season but turned out to be very rainy!
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