The Revenge of Swamp Thing - Page 6

Weldangrind · 06-13-2016, 11:26 AM

The picture is of a solenoid, not an ISO relay (like mq1991 posted). MQ, that is an excellent description of how a relay works, but it is somewhat dissimilar from a solenoid. There are usually no terminal numbers on a solenoid.

The solenoid simply has two large gauge terminals; one from the battery and one to the starter, plus one (or two) small trigger wire(s). Some of the solenoids simply ground to the housing, whereas others have a dedicated ground wire.

In either case, when the solenoid is closed, the two large terminals will have continuity, with no resistance. I suspect this solenoid has failed, since it looks like the plastic is melted at the base of one of the studs (under the black cover).

2LZ · 06-13-2016, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dpl096

It does appear to be well made ... superior to the plastic one.

Yep. The early ones used to love to fall off after a while.

mq1991 · 06-13-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

The picture is of a solenoid, not an ISO relay (like mq1991 posted). MQ, that is an excellent description of how a relay works, but it is somewhat dissimilar from a solenoid. There are usually no terminal numbers on a solenoid.

The solenoid simply has two large gauge terminals; one from the battery and one to the starter, plus one (or two) small trigger wire(s). Some of the solenoids simply ground to the housing, whereas others have a dedicated ground wire.

In either case, when the solenoid is closed, the two large terminals will have continuity, with no resistance. I suspect this solenoid has failed, since it looks like the plastic is melted at the base of one of the studs (under the black cover).

I apologize, hopefully this puts him on the right path.

GeneralTso · 06-13-2016, 10:15 PM

It's okay guys, I figured it out. Yeah that thing was toast, even as I was testing it got really hot again. So I ordered a new one only 2.99.

Man this bike is so beat up, I keep finding more things wore out. Front wheel bearings failed after a few rides around the block. Have to do those now too. It's like they were trying to break stuff.

But it's keeping me busy and that's why I bought it haha

GeneralTso · 06-13-2016, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2LZ

Yep. The early ones used to love to fall off after a while.

I picked up a little more wheel clearance as well due to the metal one being more ridged and not flexing like the plastic one.

Weldangrind · 06-14-2016, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mq1991

I apologize, hopefully this puts him on the right path.

No apology needed; you gave an excellent description of a relay, which is very close to a solenoid. You never know who might benefit from the diagram you posted. Thanks for chiming in.

GeneralTso · 06-16-2016, 10:52 AM

I've got some lights working

I'm still waiting on my starter relay which should be here any day, that's the important one!

I'm going to look at that little three light console thing, I know one of the three is Neutral but can someone enlighten me on what the other three are for? There isn't much else on the bike I can think of. Also is the speedo supposed to light up? I assume it is but haven't pulled it apart yet.

Rear blinkers
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Weldangrind · 06-16-2016, 11:12 AM

Sounds like you're making good progress. You should have a neutral light, turn signal light and high beam light.

GeneralTso · 06-16-2016, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Sounds like you're making good progress. You should have a neutral light, turn signal light and high beam light.

Okay thanks man, I'll worry about that later.

GeneralTso · 06-16-2016, 02:00 PM

Well first the good news. The starter relay just came and while the connectors didn't match I got it wired up just to see where I stodd. And it works!! Starter is good!!

Now before we start cracking the champagne open yet, yes there's always a but it seems, the darn thing wont fire

. Back to running on starting fluid but not on gas. Two steps forward one back....

Anyway, I know the drill track down the fuel path, make sure carb isn't fouled and if all else fails I'll drop the motor, for a third time, and check the valve lash.

But sooo happy I don't have to kick the damn thing!!!

Azhule · 06-16-2016, 02:02 PM

I think the little light you got working is considered the "Running/Daylight Bulb" I don't think it's bright enough to be the 'road legal low beam'. If it's just bright enough to make the reflector light up and get other drivers attention it's just a "Running/Daylight Bulb"

Azhule · 06-16-2016, 02:10 PM

Do you have a fuel filter on the fuel line? Might be time to invest in one if you didn't already

GeneralTso · 06-16-2016, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Azhule

I think the little light you got working is considered the "Running/Daylight Bulb" I don't think it's bright enough to be the 'road legal low beam'. If it's just bright enough to make the reflector light up and get other drivers attention it's just a "Running/Daylight Bulb"

Yup your right "running light" it is. Once I move the switch from running lights to headlight it goes out.

GeneralTso · 06-16-2016, 05:07 PM

Well some progress, sort of.

I got it idling, barely, but as soon as I touch the throttle it stalls out. I haven't touched the carb, just took it out of the box and threw it on the bike so maybe I need to do some adjusting.

That said now the starter is stuck on, seriously man I can't make this stuff up. As soon as I connect the battery it starts cranking. Key off kill switch off but it keeps cranking. Bad relay? IDK but at least I can still use it to get it started for now.

Maybe it 3 steps back??

Eldric1 · 06-16-2016, 07:17 PM

Sounds like a stuck solenoid. Possibly a bad starter button. Remove the wire front the button to the solenoid, if it still cranks over, solenoid is bad.

06-13-2016, 11:26 AM	#76
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	The picture is of a solenoid, not an ISO relay (like mq1991 posted). MQ, that is an excellent description of how a relay works, but it is somewhat dissimilar from a solenoid. There are usually no terminal numbers on a solenoid. The solenoid simply has two large gauge terminals; one from the battery and one to the starter, plus one (or two) small trigger wire(s). Some of the solenoids simply ground to the housing, whereas others have a dedicated ground wire. In either case, when the solenoid is closed, the two large terminals will have continuity, with no resistance. I suspect this solenoid has failed, since it looks like the plastic is melted at the base of one of the studs (under the black cover). __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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06-13-2016, 10:15 PM	#79
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	It's okay guys, I figured it out. Yeah that thing was toast, even as I was testing it got really hot again. So I ordered a new one only 2.99. Man this bike is so beat up, I keep finding more things wore out. Front wheel bearings failed after a few rides around the block. Have to do those now too. It's like they were trying to break stuff. But it's keeping me busy and that's why I bought it haha __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing)
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06-16-2016, 10:52 AM	#82
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	I've got some lights working I'm still waiting on my starter relay which should be here any day, that's the important one! I'm going to look at that little three light console thing, I know one of the three is Neutral but can someone enlighten me on what the other three are for? There isn't much else on the bike I can think of. Also is the speedo supposed to light up? I assume it is but haven't pulled it apart yet. Rear blinkers That little light on the front, my low beam apparently Taillight and break light works. Rear break switch works front doesn't __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing)
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06-16-2016, 11:12 AM	#83
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Sounds like you're making good progress. You should have a neutral light, turn signal light and high beam light. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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06-16-2016, 02:00 PM	#85
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	The God's are cruel.... Well first the good news. The starter relay just came and while the connectors didn't match I got it wired up just to see where I stodd. And it works!! Starter is good!! Now before we start cracking the champagne open yet, yes there's always a but it seems, the darn thing wont fire . Back to running on starting fluid but not on gas. Two steps forward one back.... Anyway, I know the drill track down the fuel path, make sure carb isn't fouled and if all else fails I'll drop the motor, for a third time, and check the valve lash. But sooo happy I don't have to kick the damn thing!!! __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing)
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06-16-2016, 02:02 PM	#86
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	I think the little light you got working is considered the "Running/Daylight Bulb" I don't think it's bright enough to be the 'road legal low beam'. If it's just bright enough to make the reflector light up and get other drivers attention it's just a "Running/Daylight Bulb" __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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06-16-2016, 02:10 PM	#87
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	Do you have a fuel filter on the fuel line? Might be time to invest in one if you didn't already __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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06-16-2016, 05:07 PM	#89
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	Well some progress, sort of. I got it idling, barely, but as soon as I touch the throttle it stalls out. I haven't touched the carb, just took it out of the box and threw it on the bike so maybe I need to do some adjusting. That said now the starter is stuck on, seriously man I can't make this stuff up. As soon as I connect the battery it starts cranking. Key off kill switch off but it keeps cranking. Bad relay? IDK but at least I can still use it to get it started for now. Maybe it 3 steps back?? __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing)
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06-16-2016, 07:17 PM	#90
Eldric1 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Angier, nc Posts: 96	Sounds like a stuck solenoid. Possibly a bad starter button. Remove the wire front the button to the solenoid, if it still cranks over, solenoid is bad.
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