1985 Honda elite 150 build thread. - Page 5

katoranger · 03-09-2011, 12:35 PM

Reveeen · 03-09-2011, 03:44 PM

The critical sidecar measurement appears to be the center of the sidecar wheel being 9" ahead of the rear axle.

I envision maybe a "train" of shopping carts, all held together with bungee cords..... a broken "D" type shovel handle (or a shovel) as a tow bar, maybe a set of those rear magnetic towing lights, and calling it a trailer!

There you go.... make a movie of that!

katoranger · 03-09-2011, 07:16 PM

That's an idea. Probably find a shopping cart in the scrap pile.

katoranger · 03-10-2011, 06:30 PM

Just got an email that my parts have been sent and will be here the 14th.

FastDoc · 03-10-2011, 06:37 PM

katoranger · 03-11-2011, 08:21 AM

Thanks Doc.

katoranger · 03-14-2011, 08:33 PM

Got my parts. Everything says Honda and Made in Japan. Now just have to wait until Friday to put it together.

I took it for a ride yesterday. I don't know for sure, but it only felt like top end was about 45mph. Also head some noise from the variator pulley.

Thinking that a new belt and cleaning/regreasing the roller weights made be on the priority list.

SpudRider · 03-14-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger

Got my parts. Everything says Honda and Made in Japan. Now just have to wait until Friday to put it together.

I took it for a ride yesterday. I don't know for sure, but it only felt like top end was about 45mph. Also head some noise from the variator pulley.

Thinking that a new belt and cleaning/regreasing the roller weights made be on the priority list.

Congratulations on receiving your parts, Allen.

I am going to receive some Honda parts tomorrow.

Spud

FastDoc · 03-14-2011, 11:33 PM

What parts, praytell, Brother Spud? :roll:

Weldangrind · 03-15-2011, 12:21 AM

Kato, I recommend that you investigate sliders instead of rollers. The design is supposed to allow the mass to travel further, which apparently results in higher RPM. Lighter sliders also increase the constant engine speed.

They're super cheap on eBay.

SpudRider · 03-15-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FastDoc

What parts, praytell, Brother Spud? :roll:

I got an XR600R, left side cover, Doc.

Since I removed the battery box on my XR650L, I wanted a flat side cover to replace the stock unit. I purchased the part purely for cosmetic reasons.

http://chinariders.net/modules.php?n...0873&start=225

Spud

katoranger · 03-15-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Kato, I recommend that you investigate sliders instead of rollers. The design is supposed to allow the mass to travel further, which apparently results in higher RPM. Lighter sliders also increase the constant engine speed.

They're super cheap on eBay.

Thanks, my first step is the belt. I heard some squealing on take off. I am sure with 20k miles some other parts may need attention too.

My research shows that lighter equals faster take off with reduced top end and heavier gives more speed, but you lose on the take off and hill power.

I will probably stick with stock or maybe slightly lighter. Need to see what the performance is like first. A new belt may be all I need.

Reveeen · 03-15-2011, 10:27 AM

Chances are the belt is worn... chances are too that the rollers are "flat spotted" and not rolling quite like they should.

The jury is out here if you should grease (or lubricate) the rollers. Lubricated rollers attract belt dust, it seems to be a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation. You do have the benefit of a dust shield, not seen in other makes besides Honda, but most seem to take that off to try and get a little extra travel.

Clean-up of the faces (and making sure they are smooth, without ridges) is important. If you find the top width of the belt not much different (between the new and the old) the take up spring (in the driven assembly) should be replaced.

Best for the cheapest: Athena. Athena belts are cheaper than OEM (if your scooter is listed) and at least the same, or better quality. I have tried kevlar belts and found them only to be more expensive.

katoranger · 03-15-2011, 11:01 AM

Reading up on the sliders/rollers I found alot of info. I am leaning towards a light lube. Just enough to keep from rattling.

Looks like cleaning the surface really well and giving it a polish will help.

I found two sizes. 799x19x28 and 818x19x28.

The first size is common on ebay for the ch150. The second I found by googling the honda part number.

http://www.scooterpartsplace.com/805...sterday-1.aspx

Reveeen · 03-15-2011, 11:24 AM

I'm not convinced a "polish" is in order, I go for a "brushed" look (more of a pre-polish), rather than shiny. To each his/her own.

It won't "rattle" with the right size of belt...... remember there is no "clutch function" (the clutch being in the driven package), the belt should, at all times, be "engaged", keeping pressure on the rollers......unless the rollers are worn, or flat spotted.

Belt size breakdown:
For example:
818x19x28
818: outside length
19: is the side chamfer (beveled edge) in degrees
28: width (at the top)

I prefer OEM, unless the price is stupid, followed by Athena. Yamaha OEM is $40 here, Athena $20.

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Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	The critical sidecar measurement appears to be the center of the sidecar wheel being 9" ahead of the rear axle. I envision maybe a "train" of shopping carts, all held together with bungee cords..... a broken "D" type shovel handle (or a shovel) as a tow bar, maybe a set of those rear magnetic towing lights, and calling it a trailer! There you go.... make a movie of that!
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03-14-2011, 08:33 PM	#67
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Got my parts. Everything says Honda and Made in Japan. Now just have to wait until Friday to put it together. I took it for a ride yesterday. I don't know for sure, but it only felt like top end was about 45mph. Also head some noise from the variator pulley. Thinking that a new belt and cleaning/regreasing the roller weights made be on the priority list. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	What parts, praytell, Brother Spud? :roll: __________________ Happy to serve.
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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Kato, I recommend that you investigate sliders instead of rollers. The design is supposed to allow the mass to travel further, which apparently results in higher RPM. Lighter sliders also increase the constant engine speed. They're super cheap on eBay. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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03-15-2011, 10:27 AM	#73
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	Chances are the belt is worn... chances are too that the rollers are "flat spotted" and not rolling quite like they should. The jury is out here if you should grease (or lubricate) the rollers. Lubricated rollers attract belt dust, it seems to be a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation. You do have the benefit of a dust shield, not seen in other makes besides Honda, but most seem to take that off to try and get a little extra travel. Clean-up of the faces (and making sure they are smooth, without ridges) is important. If you find the top width of the belt not much different (between the new and the old) the take up spring (in the driven assembly) should be replaced. Best for the cheapest: Athena. Athena belts are cheaper than OEM (if your scooter is listed) and at least the same, or better quality. I have tried kevlar belts and found them only to be more expensive.
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03-15-2011, 11:01 AM	#74
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Reading up on the sliders/rollers I found alot of info. I am leaning towards a light lube. Just enough to keep from rattling. Looks like cleaning the surface really well and giving it a polish will help. I found two sizes. 799x19x28 and 818x19x28. The first size is common on ebay for the ch150. The second I found by googling the honda part number. http://www.scooterpartsplace.com/805...sterday-1.aspx __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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03-15-2011, 11:24 AM	#75
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	I'm not convinced a "polish" is in order, I go for a "brushed" look (more of a pre-polish), rather than shiny. To each his/her own. It won't "rattle" with the right size of belt...... remember there is no "clutch function" (the clutch being in the driven package), the belt should, at all times, be "engaged", keeping pressure on the rollers......unless the rollers are worn, or flat spotted. Belt size breakdown: For example: 818x19x28 818: outside length 19: is the side chamfer (beveled edge) in degrees 28: width (at the top) I prefer OEM, unless the price is stupid, followed by Athena. Yamaha OEM is $40 here, Athena $20.
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