Anyone have a Ford Expedition? - Page 5

katoranger · 02-08-2014, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastDoc

Whats a COP?

Coil on Plug. It has 10.

FastDoc · 02-08-2014, 10:37 PM

You'll fix it in a weekend, Kato.

Coil Over Plug?

I think I figured it out!

Weldangrind · 02-09-2014, 01:13 AM

10 x COP. Good Heavens.

When you say they can be repaired without pulling the head, do you mean a Helicoil?

recracer · 02-09-2014, 09:33 AM

Happens on Ford v8 and v10 a lot . I have used these kits quite a bit . I pack the tap with grease to retain as many chips as possible . has always worked fine http://www.ebay.com/itm/HeliCoil-Sav...item4aa9ee190d

Weldangrind · 02-09-2014, 12:39 PM

It doesn't hurt to make set that cylinder at TDC as well, to make sure the valves are closed. That allows you to blast some compressed air into the cylinder after you've tapped the hole, without sending schrapnel into the intake manifold.

katoranger · 02-09-2014, 08:40 PM

I read about making sure the valves are closed. Also mentioned using a shop vac with a skinny nozzle to suck out the chamber.

Some people say that helicoils fail.

The recommended product is called a time sert.

http://www.timesert.com/html/ford_sparkplug_faq.html

It cost alot more than the helicoil. Still this is far easier than the manifolds.

katoranger · 02-09-2014, 09:25 PM

Here are the instructions for the time sert.

http://www.timesert.com/html/triton_repair2.html

FastDoc · 02-09-2014, 11:46 PM

Spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles nowadays.

Use some antisieze and you'll only need to remove it once, maybe twice in your's or the vans lifetime.

FastDoc · 02-09-2014, 11:47 PM

Are you sure the plug hole is stripped?

With my Probe Turbo it just unscrewed somehow, it was not stripped.

Weldangrind · 02-10-2014, 01:30 AM

I've never had a Helicoil (or Permacoil) fail, but I can see where Time-Serts would be superior. A Helicoil is more like a spring, where a Time-Sert is actually a bushing.

katoranger · 02-10-2014, 12:58 PM

Doc, I don't know about the threads. Lost a plug on a subaru. Stopped at the Napa and threaded it in. No problems.

I have not attempted to rethread it. Called two shops today. Both helicoil them. $150. Sounds like a bargain. Shop #2 sounded more qualified since they use a bore scope to inspect the threads and then loctite the helicoil in place. He said he has never had one fail and has never had to replace a head.

FastDoc · 02-10-2014, 03:16 PM

Done deal. $150 well spent.

katoranger · 02-10-2014, 04:23 PM

The ford forums are all about the much more expensive time sert. The shops I have called seem to want to use the helicoil. Even if a helicoil fails it can still be repaired with a time-sert of this other one call a Calvan.

I think I am going to try the helicoil. Just not until after pay day.

Things on the high priority list. Fix the door handle and install a bulb for the high beam indicator.

I also need a set of steps for the short people.

katoranger · 02-10-2014, 08:04 PM

Here is Saturday night in the yard.

recracer · 02-10-2014, 10:20 PM

http://www.denlorstools.com/shop/images/HEL5334-14.jpg the helicoil plug hole inserts are also solid bushing style, not not the normal coil style . hard to find a good picture of them . It is the insert bushing style I use at my shop .

02-08-2014, 10:37 PM	#62
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	You'll fix it in a weekend, Kato. Coil Over Plug? I think I figured it out! __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-09-2014, 01:13 AM	#63
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	10 x COP. Good Heavens. When you say they can be repaired without pulling the head, do you mean a Helicoil? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-09-2014, 12:39 PM	#65
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	It doesn't hurt to make set that cylinder at TDC as well, to make sure the valves are closed. That allows you to blast some compressed air into the cylinder after you've tapped the hole, without sending schrapnel into the intake manifold. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-09-2014, 08:40 PM	#66
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	I read about making sure the valves are closed. Also mentioned using a shop vac with a skinny nozzle to suck out the chamber. Some people say that helicoils fail. The recommended product is called a time sert. http://www.timesert.com/html/ford_sparkplug_faq.html It cost alot more than the helicoil. Still this is far easier than the manifolds. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-09-2014, 09:25 PM	#67
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Here are the instructions for the time sert. http://www.timesert.com/html/triton_repair2.html __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-09-2014, 09:33 AM	#64
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	Happens on Ford v8 and v10 a lot . I have used these kits quite a bit . I pack the tap with grease to retain as many chips as possible . has always worked fine http://www.ebay.com/itm/HeliCoil-Sav...item4aa9ee190d
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02-09-2014, 11:46 PM	#68
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles nowadays. Use some antisieze and you'll only need to remove it once, maybe twice in your's or the vans lifetime. __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-09-2014, 11:47 PM	#69
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Are you sure the plug hole is stripped? With my Probe Turbo it just unscrewed somehow, it was not stripped. __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-10-2014, 01:30 AM	#70
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I've never had a Helicoil (or Permacoil) fail, but I can see where Time-Serts would be superior. A Helicoil is more like a spring, where a Time-Sert is actually a bushing. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-10-2014, 12:58 PM	#71
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Doc, I don't know about the threads. Lost a plug on a subaru. Stopped at the Napa and threaded it in. No problems. I have not attempted to rethread it. Called two shops today. Both helicoil them. $150. Sounds like a bargain. Shop #2 sounded more qualified since they use a bore scope to inspect the threads and then loctite the helicoil in place. He said he has never had one fail and has never had to replace a head. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-10-2014, 03:16 PM	#72
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Done deal. $150 well spent. __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-10-2014, 04:23 PM	#73
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	The ford forums are all about the much more expensive time sert. The shops I have called seem to want to use the helicoil. Even if a helicoil fails it can still be repaired with a time-sert of this other one call a Calvan. I think I am going to try the helicoil. Just not until after pay day. Things on the high priority list. Fix the door handle and install a bulb for the high beam indicator. I also need a set of steps for the short people. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-10-2014, 10:20 PM	#75
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	http://www.denlorstools.com/shop/images/HEL5334-14.jpg the helicoil plug hole inserts are also solid bushing style, not not the normal coil style . hard to find a good picture of them . It is the insert bushing style I use at my shop .
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