The Tomahto! - Page 4

TominMO · 01-28-2023, 09:09 PM

In post #44, look at the stator cover in both the before and after pics. The US cleaner took all the paint out of the Made in Japan part! It also cleaned up the HONDA lettering; don't think there was paint in there, just dirt. This cover will get red lettering.

XLsior · 01-29-2023, 12:25 AM

it all comes down to elbow grease...

Sore thumbs are a bonus.

TominMO · 02-11-2023, 10:43 AM

More parts came in. Gonna hit 48 degrees today, so I will go out and pull the carb to install the rebuild kit. Tmw I will get the battery charged and try to start it. Hopefully the carb rebuild will stop the leaking; otherwise it's a Chinese carb for me. This may require installing a petcock, since the Chinese one I want to use does not have its own internal petcock. Or I might choose one with an internal petcock, we'll see.

On Wednesday it's supposed to hit 69! In Feb! Looking to install the new tires that came in (Shinko 244), after warming 'em up a bit in the sunlight. Will go for a ride that day too, on the KPX. If I'm lucky I might be able to do a quick shakedown spin on the Tomahto.

https://www.amazon.com/Shinko-Front-...s%2C121&sr=8-7

TominMO · 02-11-2023, 08:47 PM

Got the rebuilt carb on and connected the lines. Had to go get some good hose clamps. The cheap Chinese ones that came with my fuel line aren't gripping the line with any strength at all.

The clamps: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778Q4CNS...roduct_details

But by then it was 3:30 and I didn't feel like going further. Called it a day. The battery is fully charged and all I have to do is connect it and add a little gas. The throttle is still kinda sticky even after shooting the cable with penetrant awhile back. This is a known issue with these inside-the-handlebar throttles; designed-in stiction. There are cheap fixes, which I will try. But I should be able to easily get it running tmw.

2LZ · 02-11-2023, 10:10 PM

Progress! During this time if year, ANY progress is good. Been cold and wet here again. I hear the fleet whimpering from across the yard. :-(

TominMO · 02-12-2023, 10:30 AM

Ordered a set of 25 SS 6-12mm hose clamps for $9. Not entirely confident the two I got are compressing small enough. Anyway I would need some for The Carrot as well, so figured I might as well get more than enough. Really small ones are hard to come by at my local brick-and-mortars.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

One trick I haven't done yet is to increase the OD of the lines where I clamp them, by simply wrapping them in electrical tape. A Plan B type of option.

Bruces · 02-12-2023, 11:14 AM

For the past 15 years we have been running small zip tie’s instead of clamps on our fuel lines with zero issues .My son is a pro snow cross racer and we do that on his team skidoo factory race sleds .

TominMO · 02-12-2023, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruces

For the past 15 years we have been running small zip tie’s instead of clamps on our fuel lines with zero issues .My son is a pro snow cross racer and we do that on his team skidoo factory race sleds .

Oh, NOW you tell me.

TominMO · 02-12-2023, 05:00 PM

Spent the day chasing down electrical issues. Two loose connections and one broken one, at one of the male connectors to the positive side of the battery. Crimped on a new male connector. Lots of time spent diagnosing parts such as the new Chinese ignition switch--which I had connected one of the leads too loosely. The switch itself was fine. Then I found out after a while that I didn't connect battery ground to the frame. It must have come off the screw as I was inserting it. Didn't notice because it was all shrouded by the exhaust.

On the carb side, the hose clamps were indeed too big, so I will wait until the ones I just ordered come in, in a couple of days. The carb itself seemed to not leak at all after the rebuild.

I did finally get it to start on starting fluid, just to reassure me that the basics were now all OK. Also waiting on new rim strips, due in a couple of days too, before changing out the tires/tubes. I will then add the new rear sprocket and chain.

TominMO · 02-13-2023, 07:54 PM

Tried the ziptie solution for securing fuel lines. Used two per line. Didn't work; still leaked, although possibly at a bit slower rate. My new smaller hose clamps are due in tmw, so I will see how they fit. Probably I will increase the line's OD with electrical tape. Luckily there is room to do that to both petcock tubes. I marked the Reserve line with a red ziptie. (On these bikes, the petcock is on the carb itself, hence the two fuel lines from the tank.)

I did use zipties at the gas tank end of the lines. The tank's fuel tubes fit down through two holes in the frame, and you can't really put any kind of hose clamp on the lines and get them through the holes. So, better than nothing. The lines are not pressurized, so they likely would not leak even with no clamps at all, since the gas would have to flow straight up the lines. Down is the path of least resistance.

Installed both new rear sprockets on both bikes' hubs, just for something to do. Tmw while waiting for the hose clamps, I will install the new JT chain, and find other things to do. Also tidied up my work table, which had become an utter chaos of tools and parts for both bikes. Looking for stuff was taking up way too much time.

Both tires on The Tomahto have dry rot. The rear one is really bad, but both still hold air fine. Front tire made in 2002, rear tire made in 1984! A pity; tread-wise, they both look brand new.

Rainy tmw, but sunny and 66 on Wednesday. Definitely getting the KPX out then!

2LZ · 02-14-2023, 01:16 AM

I do zip ties on the clear fuel line, with no issues. The thick, black Gates or Good Year type of fuel line I use hose clamps.

XLsior · 02-14-2023, 01:31 AM

On gravity delivered fuel lines with carburetors I have not had a reason to use clamps or ties on my fuel lines, 5mm ID hose on 6mm OD barbs seems to hold tight and getting the hose off the barb ends takes some effort.

If I was having fuel leaks I'd be more inclined to believe the wrong diameter fuel hose is the issue...

Bruces · 02-14-2023, 06:47 AM

I had not thought you might be running black fuel line ,we only run clear for fuel so we can actually see see what’s going on .Also the zip ties are the 2 inch ones ,the lock part on the larger sizes works against you when dealing with small diameter hose .

TominMO · 02-14-2023, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruces

I had not thought you might be running black fuel line ,we only run clear for fuel so we can actually see see what’s going on .Also the zip ties are the 2 inch ones ,the lock part on the larger sizes works against you when dealing with small diameter hose .

I was wondering if my fuel lines were too thick and stiff for the ziptie method to work. I was using 4" zipties BTW. Anyway, getting some proper small worm-gear hose clamps today. I bought this fuel line because it was cheap and came with all those clamps. My old fuel line (also black) was very old and hard.

TominMO · 02-14-2023, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2LZ

I do zip ties on the clear fuel line, with no issues. The thick, black Gates or Good Year type of fuel line I use hose clamps.

Yeah, learn something new every day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLsior

On gravity delivered fuel lines with carburetors I have not had a reason to use clamps or ties on my fuel lines, 5mm ID hose on 6mm OD barbs seems to hold tight and getting the hose off the barb ends takes some effort.

If I was having fuel leaks I'd be more inclined to believe the wrong diameter fuel hose is the issue...

The black line does fit on there pretty snugly. I can't really call it too large--but it's not snug enough, obviously. I think it's just the nature of the thick and more rigid black line that it has to be properly clamped.

01-28-2023, 09:09 PM	#46
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,887	In post #44, look at the stator cover in both the before and after pics. The US cleaner took all the paint out of the Made in Japan part! It also cleaned up the HONDA lettering; don't think there was paint in there, just dirt. This cover will get red lettering. __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself
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02-11-2023, 10:43 AM	#48
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,887	More parts came in. Gonna hit 48 degrees today, so I will go out and pull the carb to install the rebuild kit. Tmw I will get the battery charged and try to start it. Hopefully the carb rebuild will stop the leaking; otherwise it's a Chinese carb for me. This may require installing a petcock, since the Chinese one I want to use does not have its own internal petcock. Or I might choose one with an internal petcock, we'll see. On Wednesday it's supposed to hit 69! In Feb! Looking to install the new tires that came in (Shinko 244), after warming 'em up a bit in the sunlight. Will go for a ride that day too, on the KPX. If I'm lucky I might be able to do a quick shakedown spin on the Tomahto. https://www.amazon.com/Shinko-Front-...s%2C121&sr=8-7 __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself
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02-11-2023, 08:47 PM	#49
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,887	Got the rebuilt carb on and connected the lines. Had to go get some good hose clamps. The cheap Chinese ones that came with my fuel line aren't gripping the line with any strength at all. The clamps: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778Q4CNS...roduct_details But by then it was 3:30 and I didn't feel like going further. Called it a day. The battery is fully charged and all I have to do is connect it and add a little gas. The throttle is still kinda sticky even after shooting the cable with penetrant awhile back. This is a known issue with these inside-the-handlebar throttles; designed-in stiction. There are cheap fixes, which I will try. But I should be able to easily get it running tmw. __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself
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02-11-2023, 10:10 PM	#50
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,101	Progress! During this time if year, ANY progress is good. Been cold and wet here again. I hear the fleet whimpering from across the yard. :-( __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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02-12-2023, 10:30 AM	#51
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,887	Ordered a set of 25 SS 6-12mm hose clamps for $9. Not entirely confident the two I got are compressing small enough. Anyway I would need some for The Carrot as well, so figured I might as well get more than enough. Really small ones are hard to come by at my local brick-and-mortars. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 One trick I haven't done yet is to increase the OD of the lines where I clamp them, by simply wrapping them in electrical tape. A Plan B type of option. __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself
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01-29-2023, 12:25 AM	#47
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,316	it all comes down to elbow grease... Sore thumbs are a bonus.
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02-12-2023, 11:14 AM	#52
Bruces Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 1,588	For the past 15 years we have been running small zip tie’s instead of clamps on our fuel lines with zero issues .My son is a pro snow cross racer and we do that on his team skidoo factory race sleds .
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02-12-2023, 05:00 PM	#54
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,887	Spent the day chasing down electrical issues. Two loose connections and one broken one, at one of the male connectors to the positive side of the battery. Crimped on a new male connector. Lots of time spent diagnosing parts such as the new Chinese ignition switch--which I had connected one of the leads too loosely. The switch itself was fine. Then I found out after a while that I didn't connect battery ground to the frame. It must have come off the screw as I was inserting it. Didn't notice because it was all shrouded by the exhaust. On the carb side, the hose clamps were indeed too big, so I will wait until the ones I just ordered come in, in a couple of days. The carb itself seemed to not leak at all after the rebuild. I did finally get it to start on starting fluid, just to reassure me that the basics were now all OK. Also waiting on new rim strips, due in a couple of days too, before changing out the tires/tubes. I will then add the new rear sprocket and chain. __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself Last edited by TominMO; 02-12-2023 at 08:48 PM.
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02-13-2023, 07:54 PM	#55
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,887	Tried the ziptie solution for securing fuel lines. Used two per line. Didn't work; still leaked, although possibly at a bit slower rate. My new smaller hose clamps are due in tmw, so I will see how they fit. Probably I will increase the line's OD with electrical tape. Luckily there is room to do that to both petcock tubes. I marked the Reserve line with a red ziptie. (On these bikes, the petcock is on the carb itself, hence the two fuel lines from the tank.) I did use zipties at the gas tank end of the lines. The tank's fuel tubes fit down through two holes in the frame, and you can't really put any kind of hose clamp on the lines and get them through the holes. So, better than nothing. The lines are not pressurized, so they likely would not leak even with no clamps at all, since the gas would have to flow straight up the lines. Down is the path of least resistance. Installed both new rear sprockets on both bikes' hubs, just for something to do. Tmw while waiting for the hose clamps, I will install the new JT chain, and find other things to do. Also tidied up my work table, which had become an utter chaos of tools and parts for both bikes. Looking for stuff was taking up way too much time. Both tires on The Tomahto have dry rot. The rear one is really bad, but both still hold air fine. Front tire made in 2002, rear tire made in 1984! A pity; tread-wise, they both look brand new. Rainy tmw, but sunny and 66 on Wednesday. Definitely getting the KPX out then! __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself Last edited by TominMO; 02-13-2023 at 08:26 PM.
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02-14-2023, 01:16 AM	#56
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,101	I do zip ties on the clear fuel line, with no issues. The thick, black Gates or Good Year type of fuel line I use hose clamps. __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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02-14-2023, 01:31 AM	#57
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,316	On gravity delivered fuel lines with carburetors I have not had a reason to use clamps or ties on my fuel lines, 5mm ID hose on 6mm OD barbs seems to hold tight and getting the hose off the barb ends takes some effort. If I was having fuel leaks I'd be more inclined to believe the wrong diameter fuel hose is the issue...
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02-14-2023, 06:47 AM	#58
Bruces Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 1,588	I had not thought you might be running black fuel line ,we only run clear for fuel so we can actually see see what’s going on .Also the zip ties are the 2 inch ones ,the lock part on the larger sizes works against you when dealing with small diameter hose .
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