Hawk Talk

[shahram72]

Anyone know thing about the Hawk 2? It is a revision? Is it another maker? I want to get this bike but I want to have support from the community and parts. http://www.saferwholesale.com/Hawk-2.../rta-hawk2.htm

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by shahram72

Anyone know thing about the Hawk 2? It is a revision? Is it another maker? I want to get this bike but I want to have support from the community and parts. http://www.saferwholesale.com/Hawk-2.../rta-hawk2.htm

From what I've been able to find out, it is made in the same factory, but by a different manufacturer which has been connected with the original manufacturer for years. Most parts are the same, as far as I can find out. There are some differences, but parts are available on the internet So, I THINK you would have no more parts problem than with the original Hawk...ARH

[BlackBike]

Originally Posted by shahram72

Anyone know thing about the Hawk 2? It is a revision? Is it another maker? I want to get this bike but I want to have support from the community and parts. http://www.saferwholesale.com/Hawk-2.../rta-hawk2.htm

We promise unlimited support and a million million mile warranty, just like the dealers tell you

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Isn't that a good question? I don't like doing it, but I've found the same questions over and over again by new China Riders, often every day. It is almost as if people no longer know how to do simple research. So, you guys have to read the same things over and over. I know it is not fair for those of you whose memory span is broader than a house fly's wing span, but I write this stuff for the new China Rider. They are the ones who need help the most. So, I thought I found a need, and have tried to supply that need. My goal is to help the newbies at this new to them experience. You guys that have been around the block a few times know how to find parts, how to deal with the Hawk's shortcomes as delivered, knocked down, to their driveway. They have to be encouraged to think outside of the box. It is a bit scary buying a bike where there are no dealerships and no 800-250-Hawk phone numbers for parts and advice. Until they do it. Some of these people have never even serviced their riding lawn mower, let alone built a motor cycle out of the box on their driveway. It is scary to them. Problems seem insolvable. But the good riders on China Riders are willing to do everything possible to help these people get their Hawk experience off to a great start...ARH

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

Isn't that a good question? I don't like doing it, but I've found the same questions over and over again by new China Riders, often every day. It is almost as if people no longer know how to do simple research. So, you guys have to read the same things over and over. I know it is not fair for those of you whose memory span is broader than a house fly's wing span, but I write this stuff for the new China Rider. They are the ones who need help the most. So, I thought I found a need, and have tried to supply that need. My goal is to help the newbies at this new to them experience. You guys that have been around the block a few times know how to find parts, how to deal with the Hawk's shortcomes as delivered, knocked down, to their driveway. They have to be encouraged to think outside of the box. It is a bit scary buying a bike where there are no dealerships and no 800-250-Hawk phone numbers for parts and advice. Until they do it. Some of these people have never even serviced their riding lawn mower, let alone built a motor cycle out of the box on their driveway. It is scary to them. Problems seem insolvable. But the good riders on China Riders are willing to do everything possible to help these people get their Hawk experience off to a great start...ARH

Oh yeah. For those of you interested, I never owned an Ariel Square Four. I rode one once for twenty minutes, or so, but it just wasn't for me. Too much like a Packard motor car, not enough like a Jaguar...ARH

[ricardoguitars]

Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

Isn't that a good question? I don't like doing it, but I've found the same questions over and over again by new China Riders, often every day. It is almost as if people no longer know how to do simple research. So, you guys have to read the same things over and over. I know it is not fair for those of you whose memory span is broader than a house fly's wing span, but I write this stuff for the new China Rider. They are the ones who need help the most. So, I thought I found a need, and have tried to supply that need. My goal is to help the newbies at this new to them experience. You guys that have been around the block a few times know how to find parts, how to deal with the Hawk's shortcomes as delivered, knocked down, to their driveway. They have to be encouraged to think outside of the box. It is a bit scary buying a bike where there are no dealerships and no 800-250-Hawk phone numbers for parts and advice. Until they do it. Some of these people have never even serviced their riding lawn mower, let alone built a motor cycle out of the box on their driveway. It is scary to them. Problems seem insolvable. But the good riders on China Riders are willing to do everything possible to help these people get their Hawk experience off to a great start...ARH

That's the whole purpose of forums like this, right?

[BlackBike]

Caption says, 1958 Ariel Square Four. 1000cc unique engine ? Please explain

[nonone]

Originally Posted by shahram72

Anyone know thing about the Hawk 2? It is a revision? Is it another maker? I want to get this bike but I want to have support from the community and parts. http://www.saferwholesale.com/Hawk-2.../rta-hawk2.htm

It's a bashan bs250gy-18d vs a "hawk" haosen hs250y-a. Same bike different manufactures there may be some small idiosyncrasies. Bashan typically has better quality control.

[pistolclass]

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-VM26-...rds=vm26+pilot

is this what you are looking for?

[Bruce's]

the 4 pistons are verticle in a square configuration ,like looking at the #4 on a dice .

[wamey]

I know this question has been asked a dozen times before, so sorry in advance. I am having trouble finding a link to pilot jets for a stock hawk carb.

Does anyone have the link? Alternatively does anyone have extras (30 or 35 I believe, I am running stock air cleaner and exhaust but plan on swapping to aftermarket exhaust pretty soon here) that they're willing to sell to me?

I already up-jetted the main to 110. Any help is appreciated. Additionally if anyone has good links or book recommendations on how to properly tune a carb, I really would like to learn.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by wamey

I know this question has been asked a dozen times before, so sorry in advance. I am having trouble finding a link to pilot jets for a stock hawk carb.

Does anyone have the link? Alternatively does anyone have extras (30 or 35 I believe, I am running stock air cleaner and exhaust but plan on swapping to aftermarket exhaust pretty soon here) that they're willing to sell to me?

I already up-jetted the main to 110. Any help is appreciated. Additionally if anyone has good links or book recommendations on how to properly tune a carb, I really would like to learn.

Good luck finding them. I have been searching since I purchased my Hawk. I'm thinking about just tapping and installing a different jet. I'll have to take my carb off and take some measurements to see what I can make work. I know I could just buy another carb but would like to find a solution for others instead of just buying a new carb. You could just drill out the stock jet.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by wamey

I know this question has been asked a dozen times before, so sorry in advance. I am having trouble finding a link to pilot jets for a stock hawk carb.

Does anyone have the link? Alternatively does anyone have extras (30 or 35 I believe, I am running stock air cleaner and exhaust but plan on swapping to aftermarket exhaust pretty soon here) that they're willing to sell to me?

I already up-jetted the main to 110. Any help is appreciated. Additionally if anyone has good links or book recommendations on how to properly tune a carb, I really would like to learn.

I'm glad you asked this question, because it tells me that you understand how important the pilot jet is. And not only to low speed running, the pilot jet effects carburation all the way to totally wound out, wide open throttle. Yes, that means it effects choice of main jet size. If your bike has a Shin Wei carb, the pilot jet is pressed in, not screwed in. But you can tap the hole in the housing and install a Keihin pilot jet. Not easy to find, but possible...ARH

[Torgo]

Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

If your bike has a Shin Wei carb, the pilot jet is pressed in, not screwed in. But you can tap the hole in the housing and install a Keihin pilot jet. Not easy to find, but possible...ARH

There's a threaded sleeve that's pressed into the carburetor, not the jet itself. You can unscrew the jet - I think the threads were 4.4mm if I'm remembering correctly.

You definitely won't find anything standard that matches up to it, at least I wasn't able to when I looked into it.

From what I recall at the time, there was somebody online that was tapping them and replacing the pilot jet with something more standard, but the cost was about the same as just getting a Mikuni.

If you have the tools, it seemed easy enough. If you had to go out and purchase them or pay to have it done, it didn't seem worth the bother vs. buying a new Mikuni.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by Torgo

There's a threaded sleeve that's pressed into the carburetor, not the jet itself. You can unscrew the jet - I think the threads were 4.4mm if I'm remembering correctly.

You definitely won't find anything standard that matches up to it, at least I wasn't able to when I looked into it.

From what I recall at the time, there was somebody online that was tapping them and replacing the pilot jet with something more standard, but the cost was about the same as just getting a Mikuni.

If you have the tools, it seemed easy enough. If you had to go out and purchase them or pay to have it done, it didn't seem worth the bother vs. buying a new Mikuni.

Thanks for your input on the pilot jet problems on the Shin Wei carb. Weird, huh? Why tap a sleeve so you can press in the sleeve, and then use a screw in jet? Unless the idea is to make it non owner serviceable (Read EPA)....ARH