opinions and facts witch is better and why 163fml or 169fm - Page 3

Weldangrind · 02-25-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by recracer

http://stores.ebay.com/Porsche-944-P...&_sid=77860546looks like he bought up a closed dealer display parts .

Seems fair for an OHC. That would be a nice repower engine like Doc did with the Dirt Rat.

Weldangrind · 02-25-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnone

Speaking about extra cc's.
Is this a 400cc CG125?
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/37...ine_400cc.html

That's tempting. I see that the minimum order is 10; I wonder what the total price would be? It would be fun for a bunch of us to repower our 200cc junk with. I like that it's air cooled, like an XR.

FastDoc · 02-25-2011, 03:00 PM

I don't know if it would fit an XR frame, and I sure don't need 10! Plus I did not see a price...

Cal25 · 02-25-2011, 03:10 PM

Like RECRACER found out. NoEPA means you dont get anything

Weldangrind · 02-25-2011, 03:35 PM

That's the difference in Canada. We can't tag bikes that haven't passed Transport Canada inspections, but we can import bikes and engines for off-road competition use only. So far, we don't have EPA req's for bikes, AFAIK.

We used to be able to have a special inspection done in my Province that allowed us to dual sport a dirt bike, but not any more. If it wasn't imported as a street bike, it's dirt only forever.

Barnone · 02-25-2011, 03:41 PM

"Samples Available" means you can buy one for testing purposes. The engine would need EPA certificate for customs clearance. I'll find out what the sample price is and if it has an EPA certificate. I'm thinking that if it is a CG125 clone so then it should fit and bolt right in my bobber as my engine is a CG125 clone at 229cc's. Just thinking for down the road.

Barnone · 02-25-2011, 03:54 PM

http://www.tradekd.com/product/13685...cc_engine.html

recracer · 02-25-2011, 04:49 PM

sample for testing without EPA requires pre approvals from EPA and dot if testing will be done on road and will have to leave the country within one year from entry date .EPA will require an outline of testing purpose ,meaning a company would be doing the testing . with EPA it needs to be a replacement part for an already EPA certified motorcycle . no prevision for bringing these engines for off road use . clean air act prohibits retrofitting another engine in an already EPA cleared vehicle . there may be a way for individuals to import up to 3 engines 19kw or less for personal use . 400cc would be over 19kw .

roketa200E5 · 02-25-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by recracer

i've found 3 different 250 166fmm 65.5mmÃ—66.2mm 223cc ', 167fmm 67mmx 65mm 229cc the 169fmm is 232.6cc 69 bore and 62.2 stroke

No wonder I find my little FML167 push rod the little engine that could; it's really 229cc. I think I'll have all the juice I need after I jet and upgrade the exhaust. Hey, believe it or not, I can pop a small wheelie on this thing.

Dropped, hammered, WOT for miles along Malibu and Angeles National Forest in hot summer days, etc., and still no problem whatsoever.

Know what you're doing before you buy because storage charges in some bonded warehouse can be very expensive so don't get stuck. It's not uncommon for many businesses abandon shipments and still have transport companies come after them for transit cost.

recracer · 02-25-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by roketa200E5

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Originally Posted by recracer

i've found 3 different 250 166fmm 65.5mmÃ—66.2mm 223cc ', 167fmm 67mmx 65mm 229cc the 169fmm is 232.6cc 69 bore and 62.2 stroke

No wonder I find my little FML167 push rod the little engine that could; it's really 229cc. I think I'll have all the juice I need after I jet and upgrade the exhaust. Hey, believe it or not, I can pop a small wheelie on this thing.

Dropped, hammered, WOT for miles along Malibu and Angeles National Forest in hot summer days, etc., and still no problem whatsoever.

Know what you're doing before you buy because storage charges in some bonded warehouse can be very expensive so don't get stuck. It's not uncommon for many businesses abandon shipments and still have transport companies come after them for transit cost.

the 167fml is a 200 67*55. 1
193cc here's how it works 1 meaning 1 cylinder 67 is the bore and the L on the end means 200cc class . the other is a 167fmm 1 cylinder 67 bore and m on the end for 250cc class difference is the stroke . 55.1 for the 200cc class and the 250cc class has a 66 mm stroke

roketa200E5 · 02-25-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by recracer

the 167fml is a 200 67*55. 1
193cc here's how it works 1 meaning 1 cylinder 67 is the stroke and the L on the end means 200cc class . the other is a 167fmm 1 cylinder 67 stroke and m on the end for 250cc class difference is the bore size . 55.1 for the 200cc class and the 250cc class has a 66 mm bore

Ah, I see. The L and M difference. I don't feel the need for a larger engine at all. I do think an extra gear would help, but that's something else.

2LZ · 02-26-2011, 01:01 AM

I have to chime in and say that I have two of the Lifanoid/Honda clone pushrods in the garage. One 200 (or there abouts) and one 150 (or there abouts)
Both have been flawless trail riders for me and Mrs 2LZ. No leaks, drips, problems or errors, tons of torque for a small motor....even at high elevations. Drop them into first or second and they'll grunt my 210 pound carcass straight up a flag pole.

Is OHC "better", as far as delivering more usable power? Sure! It's newer, more efficient technology that became available for them to build....the Q I'm looking to get has the Suzuki clone (like Docs and others) and it's more powerful than my pushrod Lifanoid for the same displacement. It actually had a real powerband when I rode it!

Not just a bucket of grunt.

The pushrods are out there by the scads, my guess being that was one of the first expiring patents bought and produced by China. I highly doubt it has anything to do with much else like cost or durabily. "Get a reliable motor, with all the legwork done and make it by the metric ton".
So far, I'm not disappointed in that choice.
Can't wait to get the Q though.

I would also like to mention that this has been an awesome thread to follow! Great info!

recracer · 02-26-2011, 11:12 AM

I totally agree theres nothing at all wrong with the push rod engine . I don't recall hearing of many failures in these little work horse engines . my 163fml is a replacement engine ,because i bought it blown up . however it was not the engine fault . during removal i found vacuum leaks . running very lean killed it . A few other failures i seen also not the engines fault ,ingesting water creek riding . seems if you change the oil ,check the valves from time to time and check the plug for lean out . they last and work hard for ya. Most of my riding is on the streets ,so I'm always looking for a little more reserve power . power adds a safety margin when cars are around . I bought the 167fmm from http://stores.ebay.com/Porsche-944-P...=p4634.c0.m322

Barnone · 02-28-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnone

"Samples Available" means you can buy one for testing purposes. The engine would need EPA certificate for customs clearance. I'll find out what the sample price is and if it has an EPA certificate. I'm thinking that if it is a CG125 clone so then it should fit and bolt right in my bobber as my engine is a CG125 clone at 229cc's. Just thinking for down the road.

Bad news on the EPA certificate on the 400cc engine.
From vendor
"Dear Mr. Vincent Santamaria,
Good day and thank you for your kind inquiry.

About the 400C engine, the certification you need EPA&DOT which we do not have, and sorry.

Could you please let us know more about your company and business then maybe we have chance to cooperate next time? "

RageHardIntoTheBendies · 03-01-2011, 10:38 AM

I think in Canada we can import somthing for offroad use only so we dont need EPA.

Do you know how much power the 400 makes?

02-25-2011, 03:00 PM	#33
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I don't know if it would fit an XR frame, and I sure don't need 10! Plus I did not see a price... __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-25-2011, 03:35 PM	#35
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	That's the difference in Canada. We can't tag bikes that haven't passed Transport Canada inspections, but we can import bikes and engines for off-road competition use only. So far, we don't have EPA req's for bikes, AFAIK. We used to be able to have a special inspection done in my Province that allowed us to dual sport a dirt bike, but not any more. If it wasn't imported as a street bike, it's dirt only forever. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-25-2011, 03:54 PM	#37
Barnone Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,357	400cc 3 cylinder motorcycle engine http://www.tradekd.com/product/13685...cc_engine.html
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02-26-2011, 01:01 AM	#42
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,112	I have to chime in and say that I have two of the Lifanoid/Honda clone pushrods in the garage. One 200 (or there abouts) and one 150 (or there abouts) Both have been flawless trail riders for me and Mrs 2LZ. No leaks, drips, problems or errors, tons of torque for a small motor....even at high elevations. Drop them into first or second and they'll grunt my 210 pound carcass straight up a flag pole. Is OHC "better", as far as delivering more usable power? Sure! It's newer, more efficient technology that became available for them to build....the Q I'm looking to get has the Suzuki clone (like Docs and others) and it's more powerful than my pushrod Lifanoid for the same displacement. It actually had a real powerband when I rode it! Not just a bucket of grunt. The pushrods are out there by the scads, my guess being that was one of the first expiring patents bought and produced by China. I highly doubt it has anything to do with much else like cost or durabily. "Get a reliable motor, with all the legwork done and make it by the metric ton". So far, I'm not disappointed in that choice. Can't wait to get the Q though. I would also like to mention that this has been an awesome thread to follow! Great info! __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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02-25-2011, 03:10 PM	#34
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	Like RECRACER found out. NoEPA means you dont get anything
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02-25-2011, 03:41 PM	#36
Barnone Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,357	"Samples Available" means you can buy one for testing purposes. The engine would need EPA certificate for customs clearance. I'll find out what the sample price is and if it has an EPA certificate. I'm thinking that if it is a CG125 clone so then it should fit and bolt right in my bobber as my engine is a CG125 clone at 229cc's. Just thinking for down the road.
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02-25-2011, 04:49 PM	#38
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	sample for testing without EPA requires pre approvals from EPA and dot if testing will be done on road and will have to leave the country within one year from entry date .EPA will require an outline of testing purpose ,meaning a company would be doing the testing . with EPA it needs to be a replacement part for an already EPA certified motorcycle . no prevision for bringing these engines for off road use . clean air act prohibits retrofitting another engine in an already EPA cleared vehicle . there may be a way for individuals to import up to 3 engines 19kw or less for personal use . 400cc would be over 19kw .
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02-26-2011, 11:12 AM	#43
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	I totally agree theres nothing at all wrong with the push rod engine . I don't recall hearing of many failures in these little work horse engines . my 163fml is a replacement engine ,because i bought it blown up . however it was not the engine fault . during removal i found vacuum leaks . running very lean killed it . A few other failures i seen also not the engines fault ,ingesting water creek riding . seems if you change the oil ,check the valves from time to time and check the plug for lean out . they last and work hard for ya. Most of my riding is on the streets ,so I'm always looking for a little more reserve power . power adds a safety margin when cars are around . I bought the 167fmm from http://stores.ebay.com/Porsche-944-P...=p4634.c0.m322
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03-01-2011, 10:38 AM	#45
RageHardIntoTheBendies Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 114	I think in Canada we can import somthing for offroad use only so we dont need EPA. Do you know how much power the 400 makes?
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