09-04-2021, 10:30 AM | #31 | |
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Your 650 Is Getting Expensive
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For myself, I am not looking to buy a brand new bike, then turn around, tear it apart, and attempt to rebuild it into something that already exists, and in a much better guise. I want a low cost, sub 650cc parallel twin bike, with moderate power, more style than me (a low bar, I'll admit), low weight, low to no electronics, $200 a year full coverage insurance (that includes break down and towing coverage), and built by a company with a reputation for putting out quality product. Hello Zongshen RE3/CSC SG400. It ticks all the boxes for $5500.00, delivered to my doorstep. What more can you ask for than that? If I need more than the SG400's 40 HP, I'll hop on my Versys 650 or Gold Wing GL1500 to scratch that itch, not blow a ton of money trying to make it or a RE 650 into something that they're not. |
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09-04-2021, 07:08 PM | #32 | |
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My main interest in either bike is just a easy highway capable and fun commuter that has really good economy.
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09-04-2021, 11:29 PM | #33 | |
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By the time you are done doing all those mods, the motorcycle would end up being as expensive as a Japanese 650 and guess what? It will be still underpowered next to the Japs 650. Royal Enfield ain't for the speedster. Their engines are workhorse not racehorse , just take a look at their designs at their specs and you will see what i mean. |
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09-05-2021, 03:05 AM | #34 | |
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I don't really run into people who aren't interested in modifying their bike. I'm in several local motorcycle groups of varying types of bikes.. that idea of cost for a mod is irrelevant. People put exhausts on their bikes that cost $1-2k on a regular basis.. $500 tunes, expensive lighter wheels, aftermarket suspension etc.. cost doesn't matter if someone has a bike they want. Especially when it differentiates their from the hundreds of other bikes in the rides/groups/meets. People put a lot of money into 600 sports bikes on a regular basis.. why not just buy a 1000cc? Not applicable.
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09-05-2021, 09:37 AM | #35 |
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Riders that mod their engines usually don't do it for the power increase alone. A lot of them do mods because they just enjoy the tinkering and tuning. They are not trying to keep up with Hayabusas.
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09-05-2021, 01:05 PM | #36 |
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I'm not sure why we're comparing a 650 to a 400. Totally different beasts, unless I'm missing something here.
Like WZS, I'm also a multiple CSC bike purchaser and have been totally happy with the products and support I've received, for all the same reasons he listed. I've also done just as well on the resale as any Japanese bikes I've owned, if that makes a difference to a person. I'd like to try the Haylon, myself. Looks like a nice canyon carver for our roads up here in the sticks.
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Me neither, not even the engines on those motorcycle were not made for the same purpose... |
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09-05-2021, 02:42 PM | #38 |
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megadan said he was torn between a 650 and sg400.
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09-05-2021, 04:20 PM | #39 |
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There appears to be pros and cons for either option...both can be modded. If you are purchasing a bike to hack it up and improve it then using the servicing and warranty cover to promote the value is now a moot point.
I believe the dilemma is if the extra $900USD premium on the RE650 is worth it? My perception in Megadan's case is that the additional cost is not worth it. But for others it may very well be. |
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09-06-2021, 01:14 AM | #40 |
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Megadan's size? Get the physically larger bike. I doubt we'll find him in a Smart Car anytime soon.... ;-)
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09-06-2021, 02:51 AM | #41 | |
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As far as I am concerned, the RE 650's are in the most direct competition with the liquid cooled 300-400cc bike segment as a whole, which is why it is being considered among them. The RE also has that rugged simplicity factor that I kind of like being an overbuilt air cooled motor. Plus, the 270 crank makes it sound cool lol. Aside from the width of the bikes, they are actually pretty close in size in terms of wheelbase, seat height, etc. So the "bigger" bike really isn't that much bigger.
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09-06-2021, 11:06 AM | #43 |
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We are comparing 400s and 650s because the CSC and RE are affordable twins with retro styling?
-The Genuine G400 offers the classic looks at a lower price, but at a significantly lower cruising speed.
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09-06-2021, 01:05 PM | #44 |
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Since we are comparing, what about seat height?
After watching the CSC video provided earlier in the thread, Mrs. 2LZ was very interested in the SG400 simply because a guy with a 30" inseam can flat-foot it. Even with the lowering doo-dad on her RX3 and the forks sucked up in the trees, she still tip-toes it.
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