Oil cooler install

[BBOWL10]

Originally Posted by BBOWL10

JerryHawk250,
Did you pay direct to them with your credit card? I went through the whole set up process and they confirmed the order. There is a tab to click for payment but it is not a PayPal link but it looks similar to PayPal. When I click it, it immediately asks for my CC info when usually it would direct me to PayPal and then back to the merchant. I don't feel comfortable giving out my info to an offshore merchant. Seems fishy to me. Please advise. I also sent you a PM

I figured it out. You have to recharge your account with them from PayPal and then use the funds to pay for the actual order you placed. It still seems a little convoluted.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by BBOWL10

I figured it out. You have to recharge your account with them from PayPal and then use the funds to pay for the actual order you placed. It still seems a little convoluted.

Glad you got it figured out.

[Megadan]

I like the mounting plate solution, very clean and it looks almost factory.

One of these is definitely in my plans. I honestly would love to be able to buy the kit without the lines. Just the cooler, filter, check valve, and block for the filter screen port. I have about 20ft of 3/8ths 316L Stainless hard line coil and a mountain of -6 AN fittings I bought for another project I would love to plumb this up with.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Megadan

I like the mounting plate solution, very clean and it looks almost factory.

One of these is definitely in my plans. I honestly would love to be able to buy the kit without the lines. Just the cooler, filter, check valve, and block for the filter screen port. I have about 20ft of 3/8ths 316L Stainless hard line coil and a mountain of -6 AN fittings I bought for another project I would love to plumb this up with.

Thanks. Just buy the kit and toss the hoses. everything else is in the kit minus the check valve.

[mjstef]

The last few samples i got the cooler Banjo fitting is bigger than the adapter fitting for the motor.....

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by mjstef

The last few samples i got the cooler Banjo fitting is bigger than the adapter fitting for the motor.....

Maybe my just woke up brain is confused. Trying to say you have a kit or two without lines? If so... How YOU doin!

[mjstef]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Maybe my just woke up brain is confused. Trying to say you have a kit or two without lines? If so... How YOU doin!

I have 4 valve cover style kits here with black valve covers and black stacked plate coolers with guard. (stock photo shows aluminum) My wholesale cost is $55.50. Throw $10 for shipping on them for a total of $65.50 and i will ship them Monday. No 10-15 day wait lol. E-mail me @ hwakclusters@gmail.com I really don't think i'll be able to offer a competitive kit as all forms of BULK shipping are absurd out of Chonqing. Cheaper 1 at a time with China Post. Have a great weekend folks!

[Megadan]

It's rated up to 360 degrees F operating conditions, and while engines get hot, if your oil and engine case are ever that hot, you have other issues to consider.

[Weldangrind]

I've only researched the valve cover style that Matt offers, not the drain screen cap style. China Riders, please share opinions about which style you'd prefer and why. I would think that just for ease of oil changes, the valve cover style would be a benefit. Also, with the cooler mounted vertically, would everybody route oil out of the engine into the top of the cooler (like a conventional radiator) and then out of the bottom and into the engine? What about if it is mounted horizontally?


Jerry, your installation looks terrific! Very tidy.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

I've only researched the valve cover style that Matt offers, not the drain screen cap style. China Riders, please share opinions about which style you'd prefer and why. I would think that just for ease of oil changes, the valve cover style would be a benefit. Also, with the cooler mounted vertically, would everybody route oil out of the engine into the top of the cooler (like a conventional radiator) and then out of the bottom and into the engine? What about if it is mounted horizontally?


Jerry, your installation looks terrific! Very tidy.

Thanks, I went with the drain screen cap because I liked the idea because I know all the oil is being pumped through the cooler. I wasn't too sure on how much of the oil is passing through the valve cover style. Matt offers both styles and his kits do have the stack plate coolers but he was still waiting on shipment of the new kit. I wanted to have mine install before I took it on my trip this past weekend so impatient me I ordered the one I have. I think Matt has a better cooler and will order a stack plate cooler later on. As far as oil change I drain from the plug on the bottom anyway. The screen inline is easy to remove and clean. I have mine feeding from the bottom and out the top so I have no problems purging the air out the system after an oil change and no need for a check valve as the oil doesn't drain back into the block. Being it's so small I don't think it will make a difference. I tried mounting it horizontally but the fender block most of the air flow to the cooler. I had put a 1" plastic spacer between the fender which dropped the fender and had enough clearance. Personally either cooler is better than no cooler. Over the weekend I put close to 160 miles on it in mid 90's heat. Cooler defiantly working as you can feel the heat dissipating off the cooler. I thought about mounting a couple of small e-fans for when off road trail riding when you know your going to slow to cool it off. I put e-fans on my turbo intercooler for drag racing to cool it down while lining up for the next race.

[Megadan]

I would prefer the oil screen cap style, but only because it cools the entire flow of oil to the motor down. That said, the valve cover style may only cool the oil going to the head, but that oil is going directly to the head and valves. On an aircooled engine, that's the right place for it to go.

Personally, I think the screen cap system should have a slightly larger heat exchanger given that it is handling the entire system capacity. Wider and taller, and I would mount it horizontally if I could. Since it is horizontal and the front fender may cause airflow issues, the larger cooler could also allow for a small fan and a thermostatic switch, if necessary (hot climate). Have I ever mentioned that I tend to like overkill?

As far as flow direction, i would prefer horizontal. In a vertical application, I would feed top and flow out the bottom.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Have I ever mentioned that I tend to like overkill?

So I'm not the only one? Better have it and not need than to need it and not have it.

[JerryHawk250]

There is one disadvantage to the drain screen cap style. Without a skid plate the oil line does not any kind of protection. I can see that getting ripped off. I guess I better start fabricating a skid plate.

[timcosby]

my shoe and left leg can attest that there is a lot of oil pumping thru the valve cover one!

[2LZ]

Ok folks-with-coolers, I'd like to hear some testimony before I pull the trigger, just for no other reason than because I'm a bling junky and if it's new, and I want it.

Being a wrenchin' type of guy, I know that cooler oil is better oil. That goes without saying. Other than simply knowing that the engine is cooling better (not that it was overheating previously), is there any actual, physical advantages that you've noticed?

Easier neutrals?
Butter-like shifting?
Double the MPG?
15 more HP?
Valve adjustments go from annually to once every five years?

I can see that over the long haul, it may make the engine last a little longer, but we're not messing with a 100 horsepower, multi-cylinder, behemoth here, it's a 15 HP, small single cylinder Hondoid that's virtually a toy. My lawn mower has a bigger motor.

I've taken my Hondoids on long, dusty trail rides in our Nor Cal 100+' weather and have never experienced any issues or failures, without a cooler.

Soooooooooo.........any input is greatly appreciated. Again, it's new and Mrs. 2LZ TT250 may just need one anyway.