2024 Templar 250 Base Model Review

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Crossbar

"JTR210.40 40T Steel Rear Sprocket" is what I have on my TemplarX 6speed.

Yes. JTR210 is the right sprocket for Templar X. But OP is building his new BASE TEMPLAR.

The title of this thread is
2024 Templar 250 Base Model Review

[tknj99]

Update: just received the JTR210.42 today. Install was a breeze, everything lined up perfectly. Tested out on an 85 mile trip including a 60mph road and was able to top out at 75mph Speedo indicated. In my opinion the 13 front with 42T rear is the ideal setup as it allows you to take roads up to 60mph limit.. I did find that even throttle pegged wide open it would struggle and slow down on inclines by a few mph so that tells me that the 40T would have been too much and cut down on the snappiness even further. As it is the bike still has decent torque to accelerate. In the future I plan to remove the cat from the exhaust and change main to 130 and leave it at that which should add some more power to make up for the torque lost during the sprocket upgrade..

I also fabricated a skid plate today using some left over thin sheet metal which came with something during shipment..

I’ll add some pics when I get home.. for now I’m on the side of the road waiting for my son to get me a bottle of gas since the last station was out of gas..
On the plus side I know that the bike can go max 80 miles before running out of gas lol


P.s.. I was giving my son a run for the money on some slow twisties, kinda funny to see him shaking his head in disbelief while I’m on his butt, mind you he’s on a 701 haha

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Thumper

My apologies TK. I was going by Fast Freddie's first post in the Templar Resource guide
https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=32177
I should know better than to promote second-hand advice.

My X also fits the JTR210.

Again, I am sorry. I will edit my post above. If the info in that first post is wrong, maybe we can get an admin to just delete that. We haven't had a post from Freddie since July.

I guess it is possible that the other sprocket did fit the early base Templars.

I still stop by every now and then. JTR 897 absolutely fits early Templar base models up to MY23 No one knows with certainty when the change from JTR897 to JTR 210 occurred but it happened close to the MY22/23 changeover. I'll update the guide if I didn't already.

[Still Riding]

How's the engine vibration on the base model compare to the 250X?

I find the X to be very smooth, nearly vibration free.


Thanks

[tknj99]

It does vibrate a little but nothing annoying, I think if you need to run at extended high speeds for awhile it can get buzzy and noisy but some grip puppies would go along way for that I’d think, otherwise normal riding is great

[Still Riding]

Excellent. Thank you

[Mumen Rider]

Why do you think jumping five main jet sizes is a good idea because you removed the cat? You never changed the volume of your intake charge by removing a small restriction in your exhaust pipe.


It's frustrating to see people randomly throwing in larger jets with no idea what their base line afr was to begin with.

[tknj99]

125 is the suggested main, I have 130 that’s all I was mentioning..
I don’t have a way to measure a/f so yes it’s guesswork.. I do know that with my efi bikes in the past a tune wasn’t needed for an exhaust change but was for intake changes.. so maybe I’m good with the 120, I don’t know
Hope your not too frustrated still lol

[Thumper]

Nice converter-ectomy. Welding thin stainless steel ? Brave to attempt if you haven't any or much experience (why I have not done it yet!).

Well, 130 might be too rich, but I'd rather bring it down from the rich side than overheat my engine with lean conditions. It may not be far off. Jet kit. They are cheap!

[Mumen Rider]

Originally Posted by tknj99

125 is the suggested main, I have 130 that’s all I was mentioning..
I don’t have a way to measure a/f so yes it’s guesswork.. I do know that with my efi bikes in the past a tune wasn’t needed for an exhaust change but was for intake changes.. so maybe I’m good with the 120, I don’t know
Hope your not too frustrated still lol

I would not jump to a 130 or a 125, if whoever suggested those jets didn't mention their elevation, relative humidity and temperature there is no point in following that suggestion because you have no idea how relevant it is to your conditions.


From my experience these bikes are extremely rich straight out of the box, the pilot jets are too big. The needle profile is complete ass and leaves you with an abrupt transition to your main jet giving you a huge dip into 10.X AFR(@ 6k) while leaning(lol, not really) slightly out at the top end at WOT.



I am 1'-150' ASL, 70-88f and 45-70% humidity in the last week that I have been logging on this bike.

Originally Posted by Thumper

Nice converter-ectomy. Welding thin stainless steel ? Brave to attempt if you haven't any or much experience (why I have not done it yet!).

Well, 130 might be too rich, but I'd rather bring it down from the rich side than overheat my engine with lean conditions. It may not be far off. Jet kit. They are cheap!

It's honestly not too hard, I took a welding class in college almost twenty years ago and managed this last week with a HF Flux 125.

[tknj99]

Good info, thanks.. I’m at 700’.. I’ll keep as is for now and see how she does on an extended ride

[tknj99]

Update: swapped out the 120 main jet to a 125 and whoo-wee, definitely some extra pull now in the mid-full throttle range.. before the bike would lose speed up hills, now, she can maintain and/or gain speed.. with the extra power i could probably swap the rear sprocket to a 40T to gain some more top-end.. but then i'd suspect she may struggle up hills again. As it is, the bike tops out at 73mph on the speedo, which is probably 68mph corrected... im happy!

[Thumper]

125 main is perfect in all three of my Templars and recommended in the resource. I am not at all surprised.

Glad it is working for you too.

[tknj99]

Update: swapped the 42T for a 40T rear and this seems to be the best fit, can hit 75mph (speedo) on flat while holding at least 65mph (speedo) up hills. Still has excellent torque and power thru the gears with the current carb / de-catted setup

[adb1779]

I would be interested in your thoughts comparing the Templer X to the base Templer.. ride, height handling etc. Also what was your street gas mileage with the Templer X? I was thinking of one as a commuter but was looking for a larger gas tank.