05-07-2023, 09:18 PM | #16 |
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It's not really stolen, Honda designed the engines to be built in developing nations. After about the 30year mark most patents and licensing expires. And the developing nations are allowed to continue production/development.
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05-07-2023, 10:12 PM | #17 |
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I must say, I am a big believer in the CG motor. It wasn't something I accepted, but more proven over time riding the HAWK, the Magician, and some riding the X-pect. Sheer power numbers do not really tell the story. It is about where and how the power is generated and how it is used that makes a big difference.
The CG has proven its excellence to me in the world I like to ride, up and down elevated terrain. The mid range torque and throttle response is outstanding coming off 4000 rpm. I don't know anything about the 172fm and maybe it is as good, but I worked out a KLX 250 a year ago on the same terrain and it was to me gutless in the mid range but might do 80 mph down the highway. Laying down good power in a smooth effective way. That makes me smile! The more I ride it, the more I have come to respect the performance generated by this simple engine design. CG strong, ride hard! |
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05-07-2023, 10:59 PM | #18 | |
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OK. Then I guess it can be called reverse engineered, not stolen.
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05-07-2023, 11:05 PM | #19 |
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the stolen/pirated stuff typically has a knockoff name attempting to mimic the original brand.
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05-08-2023, 07:34 AM | #20 |
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Where do you folks get your horsepower and torque numbers from (actually haven't seen many torque specs). Do people actually put these bikes on a dyno?
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