Just pulled the trigger...Ordered an Enforcer! - Page 17

2LZ · 03-10-2017, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce's

Pete is right ,I raced mx and worked in a bike shop as a kid ,we wound out our bikes pretty much as soon as we got them running .Motocross action or dirt bike magazine tested out the different break in procedures in the early 80's ,and they confirmed that we were doing it right .

It has been my experience (and I can only speak for myself), that with 2 strokes, a hard break-in works fine. Hardly any moving parts.

Four strokes on the other hand, develop far more friction, heat and have "hot spots" because of far more moving parts that need to wear in and surfaces that need mate with each other like cam lobes, lifters, rockers, cam bearings, etc...so I've always broke in my 4 strokes as recommended by the manufacturer.

That said, it's like oil threads, everyone should do what they think is best for their own bikes.

culcune · 03-10-2017, 11:16 AM

Yes, the big difference between then and now is that pretty much everything was 2 stroke back then. Good catch!!

2LZ · 03-10-2017, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by culcune

Yes, the big difference between then and now is that pretty much everything was 2 stroke back then. Good catch!!

I remember a few years back we had a member here who bought a brand new Qlink from my dealer in Sac, ran the thing hard and wide open out of the box and a week later, I saw it in my dealers shop with a grenaged motor on the bench because the cam bearing seized at redline. It was a mess. The guy actually blew it up twice and my dealer said "no more" on the warranty repairs.

Bruce's · 03-10-2017, 12:11 PM

The two four stroke thing is very true ,but we are still doing it with brand new mx bikes today ,which have very complicated and expensive valvetrains and it's actually very very rare that we have an engine failure that's not related to a lazy or uninformed owner not taking care of the valve maintainance .The valve train only runs at half engine speed anyway .The two smokers also revved much much higher than the four strokes .

letsride · 03-10-2017, 01:07 PM

I'm sorry but I'm not gonna take a bike out of a box that is known to have TIGHT valves, crappy oil, and a LEAN air fuel mix and run it like that. Ski didn't know any better amd I'm sure his bike is ok. Wonder if Spud Rider broke in his 50 THOUSAND MILE CG like a mad man. Something tells me he didn't

**JerryHawk250** · 03-10-2017, 01:32 PM

He did change the oil before he cranked it. I've been helping him with the assembly. I spoke with him this morning. He's got the idle down some but was still idling fast. He had the idle screw just about all the way out and was still idling fast. I Had him check and adjust the throttle cable and check for cable binding. I think that may have been the problem because he couldn't get it to start more than likely because the idle is set to low now. He had to run out for a while today and he will work on it later today. One thing I have to say about Ski is the reason it took a while to put together is because he took his time to put it together to make sure everything was correct. We have to remember he and Enforcer were the 1st to assemble one of these and had no instruction or threads on here to go by. He has done a great job at putting this bike together. Okay enough of me.

Letsride, did you get yours ordered yet? The enforcer has your name all over it.

Bruce's · 03-10-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by letsride

I'm sorry but I'm not gonna take a bike out of a box that is known to have TIGHT valves, crappy oil, and a LEAN air fuel mix and run it like that. Ski didn't know any better amd I'm sure his bike is ok. Wonder if Spud Rider broke in his 50 THOUSAND MILE CG like a mad man. Something tells me he didn't

Nobody has even once said that's what he should of done .The whole entire time they waited for the bikes to ride ,someone was telling them to adjust the valves ,change the the oil ,and get the jetting right .Those are things that I used to do in the 70's at the Honda ,Kawasaki ,Can am ,Maico ,Ktm dealer ,I am certain to some extent they are still doing it the same today .Just because these China bikes don't come from "real dealerships " with a service department to properly set up a bike( yes there are a few good ones but most are just resellers ) ,doesn't mean that the work isn't required .Guaranteed ,on a new $10,000.00 mx bike ,the dealership has gone through and made the proper adjustments .

2LZ · 03-10-2017, 04:25 PM

Break-in threads and oil threads are like hemorrhoids! LOL! They always come back to haunt....... ;-)

**JerryHawk250** · 03-10-2017, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2LZ

Break-in threads and oil threads are like hemorrhoids! LOL! They always come back to haunt....... ;-)

Too funny.

Ski_rush · 03-10-2017, 04:32 PM

Take 2. JerryHawk250 was my Savior...Again.

Video taken from my cell phone.... Not the best quality.

2LZ · 03-10-2017, 04:34 PM

That looks great! Love the red!

**JerryHawk250** · 03-10-2017, 04:35 PM

Glad to help. And the Hard break in method worked lol.

Glad you got it all worked out.

Sir kayakalot · 03-10-2017, 04:53 PM

Looks great and sounds great! That remote start is just pretty nifty. I like

manny · 03-10-2017, 06:05 PM

Awesome...and now you can ride it a little, and then change the oil and check the valve adjustment again in a few hundred miles. When it warms up a little anyways! These are all good lessons you'll never forget!

Ariel Red Hunter · 03-10-2017, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by manny

You're gonna be fine. I'll tell you a little story. When i was younger i use to know and ride with a great bike mechanic (certified Suzuki mechanic, NYS motocross champion 1974), and he always broke his bikes in by ridng the PISS out of them hard, for like 10 minutes at a time for break in. He said it was better to run them extra hard at first to break them in correctly. These motors are tough. And you had good oil in it! Everything will be fine!

That works better for two strokes than four strokes. I will tell you how I broke in a new piston on my BSA Gold Star flat tracker. I put one drop of oil on each side of the piston, swished it around to distribute the oil better, buttoned the engine back up, started it up and ran it at 7000 rpm for one minute, then shut it off. Pulled it back down and the rings and piston looked great. Rider got on it and went ripping up and down Ventura Blvd for one trip. I asked him if it ran OK. His answer: "Goes down the road like an old toad" If I've got to translate that for you, you'll never be a race tuner. BUT, I wasn't expecting to run that engine for 50,000 miles without laying a wrench on it!!!...ARH

03-10-2017, 11:16 AM	#242
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	Yes, the big difference between then and now is that pretty much everything was 2 stroke back then. Good catch!! __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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03-10-2017, 01:07 PM	#245
letsride Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Leesville SC Posts: 835	I'm sorry but I'm not gonna take a bike out of a box that is known to have TIGHT valves, crappy oil, and a LEAN air fuel mix and run it like that. Ski didn't know any better amd I'm sure his bike is ok. Wonder if Spud Rider broke in his 50 THOUSAND MILE CG like a mad man. Something tells me he didn't __________________ My Stable- 2022 Lifan KPX250 , 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan, 1992 Honda GL1500 Goldwing, SSR 70 Auto, Kymco Mongoose 90, Honda Four Trax 300
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03-10-2017, 01:32 PM	#246
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,594	He did change the oil before he cranked it. I've been helping him with the assembly. I spoke with him this morning. He's got the idle down some but was still idling fast. He had the idle screw just about all the way out and was still idling fast. I Had him check and adjust the throttle cable and check for cable binding. I think that may have been the problem because he couldn't get it to start more than likely because the idle is set to low now. He had to run out for a while today and he will work on it later today. One thing I have to say about Ski is the reason it took a while to put together is because he took his time to put it together to make sure everything was correct. We have to remember he and Enforcer were the 1st to assemble one of these and had no instruction or threads on here to go by. He has done a great job at putting this bike together. Okay enough of me. Letsride, did you get yours ordered yet? The enforcer has your name all over it. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel Last edited by JerryHawk250; 03-10-2017 at 03:02 PM.
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03-10-2017, 04:25 PM	#248
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,106	Break-in threads and oil threads are like hemorrhoids! LOL! They always come back to haunt....... ;-) __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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03-10-2017, 04:32 PM	#250
Ski_rush Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 449	Take 2... Take 2. JerryHawk250 was my Savior...Again. Video taken from my cell phone.... Not the best quality. Last edited by Ski_rush; 03-10-2017 at 05:14 PM.
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03-10-2017, 12:11 PM	#244
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	The two four stroke thing is very true ,but we are still doing it with brand new mx bikes today ,which have very complicated and expensive valvetrains and it's actually very very rare that we have an engine failure that's not related to a lazy or uninformed owner not taking care of the valve maintainance .The valve train only runs at half engine speed anyway .The two smokers also revved much much higher than the four strokes .
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03-10-2017, 04:34 PM	#251
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,106	That looks great! Love the red! __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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03-10-2017, 04:35 PM	#252
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,594	Glad to help. And the Hard break in method worked lol. Glad you got it all worked out. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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03-10-2017, 04:53 PM	#253
Sir kayakalot Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 269	Looks great and sounds great! That remote start is just pretty nifty. I like __________________ Hawk 250 Mikuni carb 115 main. De-catted pipe. Air box mod. 15/42 sprockets. Digital instrument cluster, FMF end cap on muffler, handlebar toolbag, Custom foot pegs
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03-10-2017, 06:05 PM	#254
manny Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 119	Awesome...and now you can ride it a little, and then change the oil and check the valve adjustment again in a few hundred miles. When it warms up a little anyways! These are all good lessons you'll never forget!
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