New Zongshen RX3 (ZS250GY-3) Dual Sport

[humanbeing]

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

...Since they're not brand-specific, we should be able ...

http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=13773&page=3

[jimjr21]

Originally Posted by dieselrider

that's a bummer...doesn't look like they come with SS braided brake lines anymore. That might account for the so, so brakes people have reported. I know on my KLR the SS lines made a massive difference. I'll report more when my bike comes in on Monday.

Factory line is black rubber coated with braided steel liner and teflon plastic inner sleeve.
The braid is more coarse than the Russell Stainless Braided line that I had to replace it with on the rear.
Brake pedal feel was improved.
I am going to swap the front and test it as well. But need these massive thunderstorms to leave the area first as can not threshold brake in the rain.

[jezzrite]

Hi guys.

Are the total weights of the Tourfella luggage set (top and side cases, with mountings) comparable to Givi Trekker Outback (Top 42L, side 37L, with mountings)?

Scouring now for some aluminium hard luggage options. Givi is one of the cheaper options.

[jimjr21]

Initial build items.
Check ALL the bolts for tightness. Repeat ALL the bolts.
Check header to rear brake line clearance
Check evaporation system tube to header clearance (below battery behind main frame)
Check drive chain slack.
Tighten throttle cable slack
Check oil level all 4 bikes about 100cc low from factory.

Build quality of components is very good. Fit of parts is not bad but could be tightened up just a little for higher quality. Easy to assemble and work on.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by jimjr21

Initial build items.
Check ALL the bolts for tightness. Repeat ALL the bolts.
Check header to rear brake line clearance
Check evaporation system tube to header clearance (below battery behind main frame)
Check drive chain slack.
Tighten throttle cable slack
Check oil level all 4 bikes about 100cc low from factory.

Build quality of components is very good. Fit of parts is not bad but could be tightened up just a little for higher quality. Easy to assemble and work on.

Once again, thank you for posting the excellent information.

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by jimjr21

Build quality of components is very good. Fit of parts is not bad but could be tightened up just a little for higher quality. Easy to assemble and work on.

Those are very encouraging comments.

[katflap]

Originally Posted by jimjr21

Initial build items.
Check ALL the bolts for tightness. Repeat ALL the bolts.
Check header to rear brake line clearance
Check evaporation system tube to header clearance (below battery behind main frame)
Check drive chain slack.
Tighten throttle cable slack
Check oil level all 4 bikes about 100cc low from factory.

Build quality of components is very good. Fit of parts is not bad but could be tightened up just a little for higher quality. Easy to assemble and work on.

X 2
Have most of my bolts and nuts marked up for easy visual inspection. I used Tipp-Ex correction fluid as its easy to remove and re apply.
Worth doing as I had the front axle lock nut loosen off a bit.

"Food for thought" on chain tension

A while back I dropped the lower link on the rear shock so I could inspect the chain tension with the swinging arm horizontal to its pivot.

It was pretty damn tight. This was with the chain adjusted on side stand with an inch of slack at its tightest spot.(adjusted the standard way not as image below)

So I would suggest if you plan on riding with a heavy load, pillion or off road to do the same and check this for yourself.

Negative image


I read this as the measurement between the swinging arm and chain

[katflap]

Thinking of removing the fork protectors and fitting Neoprene Fork Seal Savers

What do you reckon, anyone used them before ?

[oldqwerty]

Chain adjustment seems to be critical. Haven't had a motorcycle yet that was immune to poor adjustment. Typically, too tight causes hard shifting and worn seals and bearings on the countershaft. Too loose causes false neutrals, jerky shifts, and clunky transitions between the wheel being driven by the engine and the wheel driving the engine (compression braking).

First chain adjustment during set up is a drawn out process. I always check for a true arc in swing arm travel (bought one bike with a misaligned frame), that the sprockets and chain all lign up (some sprockets have inset hubs that can move the teeth 3-5mm to the side if installed improperly), and the chain adjustment marks line up to keep the wheels aligned.

I support the swingarm with jacks (2x4s cut to length) with the tire just off the ground, then use straps to load the suspension until the chain is at its tightest. I have a motorcycle lift so I can use straps, but you can also simply load the back of the bike with tools or a couple friends or whatever.

Adjust the chain until it starts to drag (you can feel the drag when slowly turning the wheel), then back off 5mm or so until the drag goes away.

Watch the chain slack as you turn the wheel slowly. You'll see the chain tighten and loosen as the wheel goes around. This is normal as sprockets are not usually round because a perfectly round sprocket can cause all kinds of annoying harmonics and such. I make a mark on the sprocket with a Sharpie so I know where the tight spot is in the future. I prefer to adjust the chain on the tight spot.

Find the tightest spot on the sprocket. Adjust the chain so it is not quite too tight. Make sure the sprockets, chain, and wheel are in alignment with each other and note if the adjustment marks on the swingarm are correct or not. Doesn't really matter if they don't match, simply account for the mismatch when adjusting the chain in the future. Lots of bikes out there with mismatched adjustment scales. Makes a difference with handling.

Now unload the bike and set it on its stand. Note the chain slack. For adjusting the chain on the stand with the bike unloaded, that's where you want it to be. When prepping for a trip I do a complete service, load the bike, and note the slack on the stand with the sprocket at the tight spot. A loaded bike will usually have slightly less slack in the chain while on the stand than an unloaded bike.

Once you've been through the process and know what your bike's slack and axle alignment should be, it's a simple matter to roll the bike until the chain slack is at a minimum (tight spot on the sprocket), then eyeball the chain slack and axle alignment with the bike on its own stand as one normally would.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by oldqwerty

Chain adjustment seems to be critical. Haven't had a motorcycle yet that was immune to poor adjustment. Typically, too tight causes hard shifting and worn seals and bearings on the countershaft. Too loose causes false neutrals, jerky shifts, and clunky transitions between the wheel being driven by the engine and the wheel driving the engine (compression braking).

First chain adjustment during set up is a drawn out process. I always check for a true arc in swing arm travel (bought one bike with a misaligned frame), that the sprockets and chain all lign up (some sprockets have inset hubs that can move the teeth 3-5mm to the side if installed improperly), and the chain adjustment marks line up to keep the wheels aligned.

I support the swingarm with jacks (2x4s cut to length) with the tire just off the ground, then use straps to load the suspension until the chain is at its tightest. I have a motorcycle lift so I can use straps, but you can also simply load the back of the bike with tools or a couple friends or whatever.

Adjust the chain until it starts to drag (you can feel the drag when slowly turning the wheel), then back off 5mm or so until the drag goes away.

Watch the chain slack as you turn the wheel slowly. You'll see the chain tighten and loosen as the wheel goes around. This is normal as sprockets are not usually round because a perfectly round sprocket can cause all kinds of annoying harmonics and such. I make a mark on the sprocket with a Sharpie so I know where the tight spot is in the future. I prefer to adjust the chain on the tight spot.

Find the tightest spot on the sprocket. Adjust the chain so it is not quite too tight. Make sure the sprockets, chain, and wheel are in alignment with each other and note if the adjustment marks on the swingarm are correct or not. Doesn't really matter if they don't match, simply account for the mismatch when adjusting the chain in the future. Lots of bikes out there with mismatched adjustment scales. Makes a difference with handling.

Now unload the bike and set it on its stand. Note the chain slack. For adjusting the chain on the stand with the bike unloaded, that's where you want it to be. When prepping for a trip I do a complete service, load the bike, and note the slack on the stand with the sprocket at the tight spot. A loaded bike will usually have slightly less slack in the chain while on the stand than an unloaded bike.

Once you've been through the process and know what your bike's slack and axle alignment should be, it's a simple matter to roll the bike until the chain slack is at a minimum (tight spot on the sprocket), then eyeball the chain slack and axle alignment with the bike on its own stand as one normally would.

Thanks for taking the time to compose this excellent, detailed explanation for determining the proper slack in the drive chain for any motorcycle.

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by oldqwerty

You'll see the chain tighten and loosen as the wheel goes around. This is normal as sprockets are not usually round because a perfectly round sprocket can cause all kinds of annoying harmonics and such. I make a mark on the sprocket with a Sharpie so I know where the tight spot is in the future. I prefer to adjust the chain on the tight spot.

This fascinates me. I've given similar guidance about adjusting the chain on an unfamiliar bike in the past, but it never occurred to me that the sprocket center hole might not be concentric with the OD on purpose! I suspect that my China atv has a sprocket that is much worse than most, but at least I can work with it by using your method. Great tip on marking the tight spot.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by katflap

Thinking of removing the fork protectors and fitting Neoprene Fork Seal Savers

What do you reckon, anyone used them before ?

Personally, I don't like them. I think they collect a lot of grit, and are troublesome to keep clean. However, I ride in dusty, muddy conditions a lot. Someone who rides more pavement might have a differrent perspective.

I don't have any problems with my fork seals, as long as I clean the inner fork tubes regularly with a hose. I think the Neoprene Fork Seal Savers make this job tougher, and also make it harder to detect leaks.

[katflap]

Originally Posted by SpudRider

Personally, I don't like them. I think they collect a lot of grit, and are troublesome to keep clean. However, I ride in dusty, muddy conditions a lot. Someone who rides more pavement might have a differrent perspective.

I don't have any problems with my fork seals, as long as I clean the inner fork tubes regularly with a hose. I think the Neoprene Fork Seal Savers make this job tougher, and also make it harder to detect leaks.

Thanks Spud, I see what you mean.

It's thinking of some way to prevent stone chips without having the
fork guards on , Just like the look without them


@ oldqwerty

Nice tutorial, some good tips

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by katflap

X 2
Have most of my bolts and nuts marked up for easy visual inspection. I used Tipp-Ex correction fluid as its easy to remove and re apply.
Worth doing as I had the front axle lock nut loosen off a bit.

"Food for thought" on chain tension

A while back I dropped the lower link on the rear shock so I could inspect the chain tension with the swinging arm horizontal to its pivot.

It was pretty damn tight. This was with the chain adjusted on side stand with an inch of slack at its tightest spot.(adjusted the standard way not as image below)

So I would suggest if you plan on riding with a heavy load, pillion or off road to do the same and check this for yourself.

Negative image


I read this as the measurement between the swinging arm and chain

You were wise to check. The information plate on the swingarm is misleading, since it shows the distance between the chain and swingarm, rather than the total chain movement.

The CSC tutorial on this subject shows a better way to measure the actual chain movement, and the total chain slack.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=15160





Qwerty gave an excellent, detailed explanation of the definitive method for determining the proper chain slack. Of course, your method of removing the dogbone/link from the lower shock linkage works just as well.

Once again, please note, the information plate on the Zongshen swingarm doesn't specify chain slack. Instead, it specifies a distance between the drive chain and the swingarm, when the drive chain is pushed up against the swingarm.



In my opinion, the distance shown is incorrect. Using this method to check the drive chain tension, I want to be able to hold the lower part of the chain against the swingarm, without any gap. At the same time the top of the drive chain should be taut, without a lot of slack. This method is just a quick way to get a ballpark estimate of the proper slack required in the drive chain. Qwerty's method is the definitive method of determining the proper slack. Your method of removing the dogbone from the lower shock linkage also works well.

[jimjr21]

Initial ride report at just over 100 miles.

It has been a while since I was on a street bike with such low power. Power was sufficient to run 65-70 on highway two-up and keep up with flow or pass traffic.
Sound is very nice. I was very surprised. It is not quiet or anemic. Nice and throaty.
Passenger had buzzing of foot pegs but for me feet, hands and seat were all noticeable but not an issue.
Mirrors are too convex for my taste.
Wind protection was excellent. Windscreen moves air around body nicely. 5'8" rider with long torso.
Easy 1 foot flat or balls of both feet. 29" inseam.
Brakes are still bedding in but provide adequate power and feel.
Stock tires are smooth on road and provide plenty of stop and corner grip. Low noise. No off road testing yet.
After riding custom seats for years the seat is comfortable shape but a bit hard.
All controls feel very nice and are positioned intuitively.
Gearbox is great on upshift. A little notchy on downshift.
Neutral is difficult to find on a roll to a stop. Easy to find at a complete stop.
One false neutral when testing to see how lightly I can operate lever and still change. It is really low pressure to make this happen and without full lever motion.
EFI is really well sorted. From idle on up no hiccups or dead spots. Only issue I have is my idle needs to be raised. It is set to about 1,200 and engine dies. Should be 1,500. I will adjust and test more.
Suspension in stock setting was a bit soft in rear 2 up and a bit firm 1 up. Will have to adjust to find happy settings for me.
Front suspension was a bit soft 1 up for strictly road but as an ADV bike will be a nice mix for off-road use.

Can not wait to get more miles on the bike.