Oil cooler install

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by timcosby

ive been thinking one oil cooler and one oil reservoir for additional oil. installed on fabricated engine guards. by the way those engine guards work well most of the time. i took an exit in gadsden in the pouring rain was carrying a little too much speed for conditions and was braking my harley ultra classic tank of a bike. well about mid curve hit a small repair bump and down we went. bike was sliding away from me as i was sliding and im looking thinking man those guards are great there doing their job well. then it slowed down enough for the tires to catch and flipped the bike to the other side and over past where the other guard would have helped. not too bad busted a latch and cracked the lid on the tour pak in five places two large scrapes on the front of the fairing and bent one light. got it off now and dismembering it to do the fiberglass work. light will bend back out and i got a new ring for the turn signal. i had tools everywhere across the road. clothes here and there. it was a sight.

I like the oil reservoir idea.
Tim? Are we going to have to look for a trike for you? You can't be doing those kind of stunts anymore. You might break a hip. I'm assuming you came out alright? Sounds like the bike took the beating.

[Megadan]

In theory the reservoir idea wouldn't be too difficult. The return line from the cooler routed to a small tank and then the outlet return to the pump. It would need to be able to stand being pressurized, and I would definitely want to run a check valve on the feed to the tank in question. A small power steering reservoir might fit the bill.

[Weldangrind]

The reservoir idea is intriguing, Tim; I hadn't considered that before.

[timcosby]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

I like the oil reservoir idea.
Tim? Are we going to have to look for a trike for you? You can't be doing those kind of stunts anymore. You might break a hip. I'm assuming you came out alright? Sounds like the bike took the beating.

yea rain suit got a hole rubbed thru and my jeans pocket got a hole down to my wallet which i was sliding on. other than that it wasnt bad. nothing wouldnt of broke if it hadnt flipped.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by timcosby

yea rain suit got a hole rubbed thru and my jeans pocket got a hole down to my wallet which i was sliding on. other than that it wasnt bad. nothing wouldnt of broke if it hadnt flipped.

Good to hear you're okay.

[pete]

Oil tanks...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Univ...9-11ab0d89e9e5


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Tans...9-11ab0d89e9e5

[Alpha Reign]

Would there be any benefits for having extra oil complicity? I like the ones you referred us to Pete.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Alpha Reign

Would there be any benefits for having extra oil complicity? I like the ones you referred us to Pete.

Those are actually catch cans . The inlet or outlet does not have any kind of tubing going to the bottom of the can. The catch can is designed to trap oil and water and not circulate it. But with a little creativity I'm sure I could figure out how to make it work. Extra oil capacity will help in oil cooling and longevity between oil changes.
You could probably use the ports were the sight tube connects and use those as the inlet and outlet ports.

[Megadan]

The one thing about the way these sump style oil coolers work that makes this a possibility is that they are a negative pressure style system. Per the manufacturer of said system:

" Many people ask how the oil is circulated. Simply put, the adapter has two holes. The oil from the oil sump flows out of one of the holes, and the other hole is connected to the oil pump inlet. When the engine is running, the oil is drawn in. The oil pump reaches the various parts of the machine after being pressurized.
Path: High-temperature oil at the bottom of the box—external filter—oil radiator heats off the oil—The engine oil pump pressurizes and supplies the cooled oil to all parts of the engine. The whole system is a negative pressure cycle."

The oil is actually drawn through the cooler lines and cooler by the oil pump, which in this case means adding an extra tank would be doable.

The catch is, the extra oil capacity would need to be stored with the mass of the oil below the pickup location at the motor, otherwise it will flood the crankcase and never truly store the oil. This is known as a semi dry sump system. That means this extra tank of oil would have to basically sit lower than the engine.

Then there is the potential for sloshing and aeration of the oil, or the oil moving away from the pickup point, which on a motorcycle that leans is a very real possibility. That is why there have been very few bikes that have run this type of system. Most favoring wet or dry sump due to them being less complicated and a lower potential for problems.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Megadan

The catch is, the extra oil capacity would need to be stored with the mass of the oil below the pickup location at the motor, otherwise it will flood the crankcase and never truly store the oil. This is known as a semi dry sump system. That means this extra tank of oil would have to basically sit lower than the engine.

I had that same thoughts go through my head too. Back to the drawing board. lol

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

I had that same thoughts go through my head too. Back to the drawing board. lol

I could see it potentially working if the tank was a completely sealed part of the system and completely filled with oil (aka, just like the oil cooler). There would be no easy way to service it. In that case, those catch cans that pete linked might work by having the return from the cooler enter with a tube going down into the can toward the bottom and the return drawing directly from the top (or vice versa). Either way, like I said before, it would have to be completely filled with oil in order to work, but having the fittings at the top of the tank would at least prevent drain back.

[PANDEMIC]

anyone know how this thing works
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-...AbTest=ae803_5

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by PANDEMIC

anyone know how this thing works
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-...AbTest=ae803_5

Good question. What the heck is that contraption? That should add at least 5 hp. lol

[bogieboy]

Looks like it is simply a very ornate crankcase breather...

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by bogieboy

Looks like it is simply a very ornate crankcase breather...

And this one will definitely add a few more ponies.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Univ...0-595c141a399b