11-30-2010, 01:55 AM | #31 |
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I believe that in some states, given state and federal "green" incentives, you could get a brammo between $5 and $6. So if you had a daily commute, that was within range, and wanted a new non Chinese bike, you might not be so far out of line. Charge it when you get to work maybe (free if you can find an outlet and are allowed), or at home over night. Now without the incentives and if you don't mind going Chinese or used, you can do much better then the Enertia for a cost efficient commuter.
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11-30-2010, 02:09 AM | #32 | |
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11-30-2010, 02:10 AM | #33 |
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That's for sure... And range isn't even the problem, like you're saying, the problem is recharge time. If I could only go 100km's but I could recharge in 10 minutes it wouldn't be a big deal (unless I'm in a wide open state/province with big distances between towns).
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11-30-2010, 02:24 AM | #34 |
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I agree. Even with a fifteen-minute, or 20-minute recharge time, the electric bikes would sell much better. However, you really can't take the electric bikes touring outside the urban environment when they only have a range of 100 miles, at best. :roll:
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11-30-2010, 02:47 AM | #35 |
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The replacement battery cost tops my list of concerns.
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11-30-2010, 03:55 AM | #36 | |
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11-30-2010, 04:43 AM | #37 |
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Battery Life: 500 cycles (30,000 miles) to 90% capacity
30K miles is more then most people put on their motorcycles, and at that point, the batteries are still good until 90% capacity. Thats what the specs say anyways.
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"Blink DC fast chargers, which use 480 volts and can charge a vehicle in under 30 minutes." Lithium batteries don't like heat build-up during charge... Tech keeps getting better, though... Maybe the cars have something to help with cooling. I feel a research session coming on... Bill R |
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12-02-2010, 10:01 PM | #39 | |
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LiFe Rechargeable Battery Why LiFe Battery? •High Performance —High theoretical capacity of 170mah/g and high practical capacity as high as 165mah/g. •Extremely Safe/Stable Chemistry —High intrinsic safety , no explosion & will not catch fire under collision, over charged or short circuit. High thermal stability of phases up to 500C. •High Rate Capability —For all high power output application •Extraordinary Long Cycle Life -Best can up to 2000 cycle life, would be over 8 times life of Lead Acid and 3-4 times of Li-ion. •Long Service Life —Around 5~6 years •Environmentally Friendly Non-toxic, non-contaminating and No rare metal •Wide working temperature range —From -4 F to 150 F (-20 C–+70C) Extremely cold and extremely hot weather will not effect its performance •Flexible Form Factor —Small in size and light in weight 1/3 weight of Lead Acid and 65% weight of NIMH. •No memory effect •Fast Charge —Can be fully charged in a very short time ---2C fast charge within half hour |
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I had switched to the A123Syst cells for my heli...all lost in the flood. We're getting some of the Blink charge units at work, in anticipation for the Volt and Leaf cars. I've got to find that article...there was a reference to the 480 volt fast charger and that there was a degradation in battery life if used too often. Still a good option for the cars and bikes. Bill R |
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12-03-2010, 10:23 PM | #41 |
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Yeah, i believe the fast chargers will hurt the batteries in the volt and leaf as they use the Li-ion's and not the better LiFe batteries, knowing what i know about LIPO's that are used in RC i'm very surprized that Hyundai is going to use LIPO's on their hybrid.
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12-03-2010, 11:37 PM | #42 |
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Yet another reason to not buy a Hyundai.
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12-04-2010, 10:04 AM | #43 |
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I am not buying into the hybrid yet. Still much prefer a diesel. Really considering a TDI jetta for our next vehicle.
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12-04-2010, 11:55 AM | #44 |
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I doubt I'd ever get a hybrid or an electric. Diesels are interesting though. I especially like the first generation Rabbit Diesels.
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12-04-2010, 07:50 PM | #45 |
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Doc, You need a first gen Rabbit with a TDI swap. Fast and efficient.
90hp with 150lb/ft torque before having the pump turned up. I believe the rabbit diesel had about 50hp stock.
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