Budget 450mt?

[rideoutadv]

What is the most similar affordable chinabike to the 450mt (yes I realize the 450mt is also a china bike to begin with.) Touring focused, 300-500cc, potentially even a twin.

A lot of my riding lately has been touring focused and I want to know if there's any affordable options I might consider trading to, that would come out even cheaper than the 450mt. Bonus points if the bike you suggest can still do some manner of offroad.

[XLsior]

You won't find anything new offering the same feature package set as the 450MT cheaper.


the options are either single cylinders, or 10+ year old used bikes.


Otherwise Just save up for the 450MT.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by rideoutadv

What is the most similar affordable chinabike to the 450mt (yes I realize the 450mt is also a china bike to begin with.) Touring focused, 300-500cc, potentially even a twin.

A lot of my riding lately has been touring focused and I want to know if there's any affordable options I might consider trading to, that would come out even cheaper than the 450mt. Bonus points if the bike you suggest can still do some manner of offroad.

That IS the budget 450

[ProDigit]

Yeah. Sadly the 450NK was sold for $4.880,which is an awesome price, but with dealer fees, setup fees, transport fees, were looking at $7k+.
For that price I'm better off with a second hand Honda Rebel 500.

[rideoutadv]

Just to steer this thread into more of what I was thinking, I'm asking if there's any similar bikes to the Benelli TRK502, the RX3 or RX4, or the up and coming Lifan KPT400? What current chinese touring bikes are available under the 450mt's price?

[Thumper]

I don't think there is anything bigger than a 297cc dirt bike like the TM 38 (Trailmaster). But it's $4k

So as I said the 450mt actually is at the low end of pricing for anything that you can claim that you can tour on it.

[XLsior]

The Himmy 411 and 452 are cheaper than the 450MT.


or a used CB500X/KLR650/versys300...


You won't get that 270* crank twin engine though...

[Thumper]

To be fair, the question is "What current chinese touring bikes are available under the 450mt's price?"

[ProDigit]

Originally Posted by Thumper

To be fair, the question is "What current chinese touring bikes are available under the 450mt's price?"

That question is already answered.
Like, what Grom clones are cheaper than the Vader 125?
There aren't any.

The cheapest thing that comes close to it while being cheaper than a 450mt, is a hawk 250, templar, or a Lifan KPX or Xpect.
Not an adventure,but in some ways it's very similar.

My point being, dealers are taking 33% of profit on top of these bikes, which makes CFMoto not a good investment.
If they want to succeed, they'll also have to sell the bikes like powersports do, in a crate, to be mounted by the end user. I could save myself $2k easily that way.

[Thumper]

Actually, my point was that RE is made in India, not China. That was a quote from OP in post #8

[XLsior]

People are buying the MT450 its selling out and on waiting lists...


Yes you have to go through a dealer and they need to pay staff and cover costs.


But you typically get longer warranty periods, Perhaps on road services, Road registration covered, a Possible test ride and the ability to ride the bike out the door...



33% might be a harley thing.


I don't thing CFmoto is making high margins and dealers can't skim much off the top. Most of their takings come from financing.



As for bikes being an investment. No china bike will have resale value. So the investment is in terms of rider enjoyment per $ long term.


Is the CFmoto 450MT worth 2.5 KPX250s...I would say yes. but that is a personal preference.


In Australia there are no crate 250 street legal motorbikes...



I suppose If have to buy a bike in China then maybe asking specifically for a china only bike makes sense.


But if want to save some money in that displacement bracket Indian offerings are a valid alternative at a lower cost.


Didn't you make a post Prodigit on how you want to sell a small single cylinder bike for a CFMoto NK450? Then suggested to me a yamaha MT07 as a better alternative to a 450MT even though it cost a 1/3 more and is not even an ADV...


I can tolerate a moron but I can't stand blatant hypocrites who believe their own BS.

[Thumper]

ProD just posted about his new 450mt. It does sound like a nice bike. Selling the Xpect will help defray the cost of admission. For what you are getting with the CFmoto 450mt, the price is highly competitive. It is a road bike, really, but that's OK. Adventure sport is a fascinating class. But realistically, something like the KTM Adv 390 is about as heavy as you can go and still have any chance of getting off the pavement. I guess if you are under 40 years old, a little more weight would be acceptable

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by rideoutadv

Just to steer this thread into more of what I was thinking, I'm asking if there's any similar bikes to the Benelli TRK502, the RX3 or RX4, or the up and coming Lifan KPT400? What current chinese touring bikes are available under the 450mt's price?

Your question falls on deaf ears unless you remove the requirement that the bike has to be manufactured in China.

CFmoto 450mt (385 lbs, unavailable locally) is called an adventure bike. But it weighs ~40 pounds more than the KTM 390 (~349lbs $6650 locally).

The CFmoto will cost you less than the KTM, if you can find one! But those extra 40lbs are not insignificant. These are heavy bikes compared to dual sports. But you need that extra weight for better roadworthiness. If you don't really need to be off the pavement, then the CFmoto 450nk that ProD got is hard to beat.