2024 RPS Hawk S

[ProDigit]

Define the difference, because if it's Enduro, it means it's for the trails, but it's also street legal.
The hawk is dual sport, meaning also street legal.
The exhaust on the templar is quieter than on the hawk, from what I heard. That's kind of the opposite of what Enduro is supposed to be.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Bill Hilly

I think that even though the Hawk X is a 223 , it's still a pushrod motor. I know they are counter balanced, but I think they are still a CG

No, they are OHC. You can see the cam gear cover plate on the left side of the engine.

[Thumper]

Comparison between the Hawk and Templar M or X is a classic dual sport versus Enduro class.

Here are the main typical differences, generally speaking:
Enduro seat is flat, so you can sit farther back or forward if needed in steep trails or balancing. The seat is more narrow as well, so standing while riding is easier. Enduro seat height is 2 to 4 inches taller. The top of the triple clamps is a few inches taller on an Enduro. The handlebars on an Enduro are flatter and wider. The rake is steeper on an Enduro (more vertical) for agility in tight quarters off road. Foot pegs are farther from the ground on an Enduro. The engine is farther from the ground on an Enduro.

You can make an Enduro street legal with a horn, mirrors, lights, but it is still Enduro class. Stripping lights, horn, mirrors from a dual sport does not make it an Enduro. It's all about scale, stiffer suspension, and frame geometry. A good muffler on an Enduro class bike is unrelated to these things, but required for some State laws for off road single track use, public lands, US forest land, etc.

Enduro class bikes have generally stiffer suspension. These days, Enduro bikes are split into sub classes like cross country and trail, the latter having softer suspension. Also, dual sports are generally heavier, but not because they have street legal gear. Enduro class typically have lighter, stiffer alloys in components including the frame.

An Enduro bike can be street legal, but it will have stiffer suspension than a dual sport, and usually cost more since build is focused on lighter stiffer, higher performance components and frame. These differences are generalities. Most of them are related to higher off road performance. Templar X is definitely enduro class. It checks lots of these boxes.

[ProDigit]

I feel like a lot of the classifications don't seem to fit the templar from what I've seen on vlogs or review videos.
Some even mentioned that the Templar sits better than the hawk, but how is that going to be with a thinner seat?
Other reviews mention you'd ride your nutsack more on the hawk,vs the Templar, which again, seems to be totally the opposite of the way you describe Enduro bikes.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Megadan

No, they are OHC. You can see the cam gear cover plate on the left side of the engine.

I looked at a few pics and I can't see the cam plate cover. I think what I see is the standard cap that looks like the valve cover on a pushrod engine on the Hawk X. I need a clear lit photo of that head!
I remember noticing that they put that OHC engine on the Orion RXB 250. The earlier version was carbed, and made 17hp versus 14hp for the pushrod engine. Now it's available with EFI and 249cc engine. Maybe both are available now

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Thumper

I looked at a few pics and I can't see the cam plate cover. I think what I see is the standard cap that looks like the valve cover on a pushrod engine on the Hawk X. I need a clear lit photo of that head!
I remember noticing that they put that OHC engine on the Orion RXB 250. The earlier version was carbed, and made 17hp versus 14hp for the pushrod engine. Now it's available with EFI and 249cc engine. Maybe both are available now

It could have also been the picture I saw it on was just doctored. It was a while ago. I do know that all of the new pictures and the Motocheeze video I saw lash cap covers on the valve cover like the newer OHC engines.

If it is an OHV engine, it's a very unique one to have the same bore and stroke as a CB250 and lash caps on the valve cover.

I am not above admitting I am wrong. What would be nice is if somebody could actually confirm if it is OHV or OHC for sure. It would be too much to ask for the people selling them could just tell us for sure.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by ProDigit

I feel like a lot of the classifications don't seem to fit the templar from what I've seen on vlogs or review videos.
Some even mentioned that the Templar sits better than the hawk, but how is that going to be with a thinner seat?
Other reviews mention you'd ride your nutsack more on the hawk,vs the Templar, which again, seems to be totally the opposite of the way you describe Enduro bikes.

Doesn't seem to fit which classifications? And how do you ride your nutsack?
I can't imagine doing this on purpose

[Aussie_in_MO]

Originally Posted by Thumper

And how do you ride your nutsack?
I can't imagine doing this on purpose

Well first off you need an appropriate sized saddle...

[Thumper]

OK. At the risk of revealing too much information (TMI), I always keep those jewels well out of the way of the seat. I will STOP riding and rearrange if needed. Without too much detail, this rarely happens. In fact, I can't remember when it might have been an issue.

But how do you "ride your nutsack"?

Just sounds painful.

[Megadan]

Been riding a Hawk since 2017. Never ridden on my nutsack.

[XLsior]

Someone must be a Randy...

[Bill Hilly]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Been riding a Hawk since 2017. Never ridden on my nutsack.

Try it, you might like it.
You don't know what your missing. LOL

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Bill Hilly

Try it, you might like it.
You don't know what your missing. LOL

I think I will leave that experience to younger guys. I already have enough pain in my life from day to day.

[red2003]

Originally Posted by Megadan

It could have also been the picture I saw it on was just doctored. It was a while ago. I do know that all of the new pictures and the Motocheeze video I saw lash cap covers on the valve cover like the newer OHC engines.

If it is an OHV engine, it's a very unique one to have the same bore and stroke as a CB250 and lash caps on the valve cover.

I am not above admitting I am wrong. What would be nice is if somebody could actually confirm if it is OHV or OHC for sure. It would be too much to ask for the people selling them could just tell us for sure.

On the pics linked from the RPS website, you can easily see it's still the pushrod engine. The cam gear bolt is clearly visible in the cylinder, as well as the lack of a cam chain tensioner.