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Maybe use a 1/4" socket to add some leverage on the bit? I think it's 1/4"
That should fit in there between the frame stay and carb.
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Exhibits A-D as to why I went with the Nibbi. And it ran fine out of the box, no need to "start over", whatever that meant. I made a total of 3 changes, all on the main, from 115 to 105, from how it came in the box.
No claim of extra horsepower, only claim is that it's a proper carb that is meant to be tuned. When you have to cut slots to get the bowl off, that's your first indication tuning a PZ30 will be a PITA. Have you even found the air mixture screw? lol Exhibit A: Quote:
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We love to tinker.
![]() Exhibit B is just using the right tool. Worked perfectly. FYI, the OEM smoothbore carb that comes with the Templar is an excellent carburetor, and it ran OK out of the crate. Bumped jetting, shimmed the needle, and adjusted the airmix screw and it is perfect for my altitude. But as I said, you can alway buy another carb and start over.
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Starting over just means removing the original carb, installing a new aftermarket carb adapting choke and throttle cable as needed, and testing. Then rejetting based on the testing.
The original carb is already installed and testing is the first thing you do when you start it up!! Then you have to rejet for your altitude. No difference, except you don't have to reinstall a new carb!! Removing the break-off bolts and drilling out the airscrew is just as much work as installing a new carb. The Templar just comes with a smoothbore carb OEM. Hawk does NOT. The break-off bolts and airscrew cover are on every bike these days and easy to deal with. And no need to spend a penny if your original carb is good.
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I'm not complaining. You can't really complain about any job being difficult when you don't have the correct tools to do it. You can complain about not having good/correct tools.
I found the perfect little screwdriver to tune this carb with and also discovered it works a treat on a couple of my Hondas too. Wife's smartwatch died. I found I could replace the battery if I could take it apart. But it has the smallest torx screws I've ever seen and nothing I had would touch them. Instead of tossing it in favor of another $300 watch, I invested twelve bucks in a miniature screwdriver set so I could effect a proper repair. Just how I grew up I guess, in my family we don't toss things in the trash if we can repair them reasonably cheaply and easily. Now spending money on a bike or car part because I think it's just better/cooler/prettier than the original...ummm, well...guilty there. |
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The carb I bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B4VXVL57...t_details&th=1 Jet assortment: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082F7Y6ZK...roduct_details |
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The statement that the manufacturer makes on the PZ30 is clear: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TUNE THIS CARB. The way the carb is designed is to prevent people from trying to tune it. The location of the air mixture screw. They don't make a tool for that. You have to fab a tool or come up with some other hack garage gimmick.
The Nibbi is a proper carb that WANTS you to tune it. The location of the air mixture screw is right in front of your face. The 3mm bolts holding the bowl on are a joy to remove. You're going to remove/install the carb many times, so the "start over" argument has no legs. I had a good baseline of what jets to use. I have a PZ30 for sale with a Nibbi cone filter. Anyone interested?
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Join Date: Feb 2023
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They kind of do. Here's what I'm using. A new one costs like $3. Just a skinny flathead screwdriver. Mine doesn't have the black finish at the tip.
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People have tuned the OEM PZ30 successfully for years. The airscrew is deliberately covered (another EPA requirement), but it is just a flathead screw on my Youall PZ30 smoothbore clone. And yes, it is adjustable! The smoothbore carb that Templars come with is probably a better carburetor, but it comes with the same EPA required warning. ![]() The OEM carb on my Storm was also sealed up, but that didn't stop me from opening it, rejetting it, and shimming the needle. Runs great.
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