Hawk 250 Nuetral & Transmission Problem - Page 6

**JerryHawk250** · 10-11-2017, 12:02 PM

After re-reading this thread from the beginning a lot of this is starting to make since. This is how I see it. You bought this use. Hopefully you got it cheap. The original owner had transmission problem so he pulled the cover off and pulled a few parts off trying to fix it without success. He then reassembles and just puts up for sale. This would explain how the stopper arm may have ended up behind the stopper plate. Did the original owner tell you there was a problem with it? I would be pissed if he didn't. That's why I hate buying used unless it was from someone I knew. Hope for the best and it works when up put the parts back on.

Andizzle · 10-11-2017, 08:28 PM

All he told me was someone had laid the bike over but it started and ran fine. I bought it for cheap anyways. And yes I had someone spin the wheel for me. When you spin the wheel though it will stop once the bike goes into 1st or 2nd.

Ariel Red Hunter · 10-11-2017, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

All he told me was someone had laid the bike over but it started and ran fine. I bought it for cheap anyways. And yes I had someone spin the wheel for me. When you spin the wheel though it will stop once the bike goes into 1st or 2nd.

Of course it will. What I'm concerned about is it isn't going into 3rd, 4th, or 5th. If you can't get it into the top three gears, mucho problemo. Problem is with the shifting forks for the upper gears, in the transmission. ...ARH

**JerryHawk250** · 10-11-2017, 10:23 PM

You will need to have the clutch pulled while shifting and rotating the tire. Try it again to see if it will go through the rest of the gears.

Andizzle · 10-12-2017, 04:31 AM

Okay so once I put it back together and then have the clutch on it then see if it will shift into the upper gears?

**JerryHawk250** · 10-12-2017, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

Okay so once I put it back together and then have the clutch on it then see if it will shift into the upper gears?

That is correct. Hopefully it works and you ended up with one hell of a deal. At the same time you're learning how to work on your bike. Feel free to contact me anytime you have any questions.

Andizzle · 10-13-2017, 01:23 PM

Thanks for the help again. When I get a chance to work on it this weekend I’ll post a new thread since this ones getting long and I’ll link to the new thread when I make it.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-13-2017, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

Thanks for the help again. When I get a chance to work on it this weekend I’ll post a new thread since this ones getting long and I’ll link to the new thread when I make it.

Keep it all in this thread. Makes it easy for everyone to follow from beginning to end. This could help someone else.

**JerryHawk250** · 11-14-2017, 09:30 AM

Any updates?

LiveLife · 09-11-2018, 02:04 AM

I also had problems with mine not going into higher gears. I stalled out on accident one time and then as I tried turned the bike back on and it wouldn’t go into neutral!! It only let me shift into 1. I thought the battery died or something but it didn’t. Horn and lights worked! I played with the key and the kill switch. Still didn’t come on. After 10 mins I was going to get the bike towed, somehow it finally went into neutral and was able to cut on!! Mind you I’ve only rode on streets and also have less than 100 miles on the bike. Everything is still facory!

timcosby · 09-11-2018, 02:57 AM

my hawk starts in any gear with the clutch pulled in

ChrisWNY · 09-11-2018, 09:54 AM

The Hawk will definitely start with the clutch lever pulled in all the way, shouldn't be an issue. You do not have to be in neutral to start the engine.

When the Hawk is new (under 200-300 miles), Neutral will be harder to find because the transmission is still "breaking in" and parts are still in the mating process. Using a standard motor oil (instead of a wet clutch compliant motorcycle oil) will also cause shifting difficulties and clutch slippage. From my own experience, when my Hawk had under 100 miles, it would not go into neutral after running the engine for awhile. I'd usually find it shifting halfway down from 2nd gear. Going into neutral from 1st was a shot in the dark. Beyond 100 miles however and after an oil change, no problems getting into neutral at all. Shifting definitely smooths out during engine break-in.

Quinn · 12-24-2020, 08:17 AM

I recently bought a cy200. I was convinced the transmission was broken because I only had first gear and neutral. It would not shift up into 2nd or any other gear. It turns out, it was a neutral at the top, five all the way down.. Downshift rather than upshift. I even pulled the clutch cover off and took out the parts and put them back in, everything was fine. It was only after that I realized, 5 down. Such a rarity. And the guy that owned the Bike before me had the exact same problem. He had no idea it was five down.

China Rider 27 · 12-24-2020, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Quinn

I recently bought a cy200. I was convinced the transmission was broken because I only had first gear and neutral. It would not shift up into 2nd or any other gear. It turns out, it was a neutral at the top, five all the way down.. Downshift rather than upshift. I even pulled the clutch cover off and took out the parts and put them back in, everything was fine. It was only after that I realized, 5 down. Such a rarity. And the guy that owned the Bike before me had the exact same problem. He had no idea it was five down.

That was one happy day!

10-11-2017, 12:02 PM	#76
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,723	After re-reading this thread from the beginning a lot of this is starting to make since. This is how I see it. You bought this use. Hopefully you got it cheap. The original owner had transmission problem so he pulled the cover off and pulled a few parts off trying to fix it without success. He then reassembles and just puts up for sale. This would explain how the stopper arm may have ended up behind the stopper plate. Did the original owner tell you there was a problem with it? I would be pissed if he didn't. That's why I hate buying used unless it was from someone I knew. Hope for the best and it works when up put the parts back on. __________________ 2024 Linhai 300 ATV 4x4 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-11-2017, 08:28 PM	#77
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	All he told me was someone had laid the bike over but it started and ran fine. I bought it for cheap anyways. And yes I had someone spin the wheel for me. When you spin the wheel though it will stop once the bike goes into 1st or 2nd. __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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10-11-2017, 10:23 PM	#79
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,723	You will need to have the clutch pulled while shifting and rotating the tire. Try it again to see if it will go through the rest of the gears. __________________ 2024 Linhai 300 ATV 4x4 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-12-2017, 04:31 AM	#80
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	Okay so once I put it back together and then have the clutch on it then see if it will shift into the upper gears? __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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10-13-2017, 01:23 PM	#82
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	Thanks for the help again. When I get a chance to work on it this weekend I’ll post a new thread since this ones getting long and I’ll link to the new thread when I make it. __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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11-14-2017, 09:30 AM	#84
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,723	Any updates? __________________ 2024 Linhai 300 ATV 4x4 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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09-11-2018, 02:04 AM	#85
LiveLife Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2	Hawk 250 gear shift problem I also had problems with mine not going into higher gears. I stalled out on accident one time and then as I tried turned the bike back on and it wouldn’t go into neutral!! It only let me shift into 1. I thought the battery died or something but it didn’t. Horn and lights worked! I played with the key and the kill switch. Still didn’t come on. After 10 mins I was going to get the bike towed, somehow it finally went into neutral and was able to cut on!! Mind you I’ve only rode on streets and also have less than 100 miles on the bike. Everything is still facory! Last edited by LiveLife; 09-11-2018 at 02:06 AM. Reason: iPhone auto corrected Factory for cavity.
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09-11-2018, 02:57 AM	#86
timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	my hawk starts in any gear with the clutch pulled in __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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09-11-2018, 09:54 AM	#87
ChrisWNY Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 212	The Hawk will definitely start with the clutch lever pulled in all the way, shouldn't be an issue. You do not have to be in neutral to start the engine. When the Hawk is new (under 200-300 miles), Neutral will be harder to find because the transmission is still "breaking in" and parts are still in the mating process. Using a standard motor oil (instead of a wet clutch compliant motorcycle oil) will also cause shifting difficulties and clutch slippage. From my own experience, when my Hawk had under 100 miles, it would not go into neutral after running the engine for awhile. I'd usually find it shifting halfway down from 2nd gear. Going into neutral from 1st was a shot in the dark. Beyond 100 miles however and after an oil change, no problems getting into neutral at all. Shifting definitely smooths out during engine break-in. __________________ 2018 RPS Hawk 250cc Mods so far: 1. Mikuni VM26 Carburetor w/#115 main jet 2. 17T/45T JT sprockets 3. JT 428 X-ring chain 4. Air box mod 5. Hawk Digital Cluster 6. Aftermarket IMS shift lever 7. Performance Aftermarket Exhaust 8. 295mm Nitrogen Gas Monoshock, 20W oil front forks
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12-24-2020, 08:17 AM	#88
Quinn Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 21	I recently bought a cy200. I was convinced the transmission was broken because I only had first gear and neutral. It would not shift up into 2nd or any other gear. It turns out, it was a neutral at the top, five all the way down.. Downshift rather than upshift. I even pulled the clutch cover off and took out the parts and put them back in, everything was fine. It was only after that I realized, 5 down. Such a rarity. And the guy that owned the Bike before me had the exact same problem. He had no idea it was five down.
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