Questions on Chinese Street Bikes

Ski_rush · 02-23-2019, 01:18 PM

So I was able to see the Venom X22-R yesterday in person and sit on the bike. I was impressed with the feel and size of the bike. However...

To me, the X22 seems like a harder sell to me than say a Hawk. One reason is the cost. The hawk is so inexpensive that many might buy it on impulse to check it out. And, at $1300-1400 the hawk is priced near used dirt bikes that likely have been used hard (as they are intended to be used). But the X22 is about $2200, which is up there and priced very near what one could get a very clean, used, Ninja or CBR for.

How does the X22-R handle highway speeds? I’m wondering if it is geared better to comfortably handle 60mph. I don’t think the Enforcer I had handled those speeds well or inspired much confidence beyond 50mph.

Are parts readily available for the X22? I didn’t see many parts on Venom’s website.

I’m not finding long term updates on that bike; how does it hold up?

Thanks

culcune · 02-23-2019, 01:36 PM

I would suggest the Lifan KPR200 (sportbike-ish with fenders) or the KP200 ('streetfighter') for a street bike. Dongfang makes a solid bike, and uses a Zongshen manufactured single as their one proprietary engine across their full-size lineup (their sportbike, enduro, cruiser, café, etc. bikes are all on one EPA/DOT certificate since they all use the same engine), but the Lifan bikes, for around the same cost, use a fuel-injected/liquid-cooled engine with a 6-speed transmission, and are solid 70-75 MPH bikes. I am guessing the X22R (Dongfang DF250RTS http://www.df-motor.com/Product.asp?...me=Motorcycles is probably a little faster than one of their other street bikes or enduro due to aerodynamics, but I doubt it is able to cruise at 65 or above. I have seen a few videos of the bike on youtube, and you have seen it in person, and all reviews are positive, but it uses the same single as most every enduro so would require some work to get it quicker than, say, 65 MPH, and that is pushing it from stock.

wheelbender6 · 02-23-2019, 04:33 PM

In addition to being inexpensive, the Hawk is versatile and there is plenty of stuff available in the aftermarket to customize to the kind of riding you like to do. Dual purpose, street, cafe racer, ADV; the Hawk can assume those roles with inexpensive mods.

Ski_rush · 02-23-2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelbender6

In addition to being inexpensive, the Hawk is versatile and there is plenty of stuff available in the aftermarket to customize to the kind of riding you like to do. Dual purpose, street, cafe racer, ADV; the Hawk can assume those roles with inexpensive mods.

Yes,but the Hawk cannot comfortably cruise at 55+mph on a highway. It’s not made for that. That’s why I’m also interested in a street bike.

**JerryHawk250** · 02-23-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ski_rush

Yes,but the Hawk cannot comfortably cruise at 55+mph on a highway. It’s not made for that. That’s why I’m also interested in a street bike.

Once the hawk is geared right and tuned it can cruise 60 -65 mph easily. My Hawk can run 70-75 mph but doesn't feel safe at those speeds because of the knobby off road tires. I'm sure it would handle better with street tires.
The Lifan Kpr200 and Kp200 are probably your best bet if you are looking for something for the street and higher speeds. They are capable of 80mph+ speed. You can pick them up for about $2500 delivered. Lifan will be a much higher quality than the Hawks, Storms and Enforcer.

Pathfinders · 02-23-2019, 06:53 PM

Well said Jerry.

**JerryHawk250** · 02-25-2019, 09:57 AM

Good video on KPR200 and top speed.

culcune · 02-25-2019, 07:43 PM

Here is a good review from the US of both the KP Mini and the KPR200. The guy is no Chinese motorcycle fan, but does offer some good points on both Lifans--the bad points can be attributed to Lifan loaning out their bikes for demo rides.

**JerryHawk250** · 02-26-2019, 11:29 AM

That's some real word testing.

wheelbender6 · 02-26-2019, 07:53 PM

Anybody found a big bore kit for the KP200? A 300cc version would be even more fun.

**JerryHawk250** · 02-27-2019, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wheelbender6

Anybody found a big bore kit for the KP200? A 300cc version would be even more fun.

Probably not. it seems to be a new engine design so might be a while. I'm waiting to see when and if they will bring the KP250 to the US.

http://www.lifanmotos.net/product/qs...-07-09/88.html

02-23-2019, 01:18 PM	#1
Ski_rush Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 449	Questions on Chinese Street Bikes So I was able to see the Venom X22-R yesterday in person and sit on the bike. I was impressed with the feel and size of the bike. However... To me, the X22 seems like a harder sell to me than say a Hawk. One reason is the cost. The hawk is so inexpensive that many might buy it on impulse to check it out. And, at $1300-1400 the hawk is priced near used dirt bikes that likely have been used hard (as they are intended to be used). But the X22 is about $2200, which is up there and priced very near what one could get a very clean, used, Ninja or CBR for. How does the X22-R handle highway speeds? I’m wondering if it is geared better to comfortably handle 60mph. I don’t think the Enforcer I had handled those speeds well or inspired much confidence beyond 50mph. Are parts readily available for the X22? I didn’t see many parts on Venom’s website. I’m not finding long term updates on that bike; how does it hold up? Thanks
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02-23-2019, 01:36 PM	#2
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,055	I would suggest the Lifan KPR200 (sportbike-ish with fenders) or the KP200 ('streetfighter') for a street bike. Dongfang makes a solid bike, and uses a Zongshen manufactured single as their one proprietary engine across their full-size lineup (their sportbike, enduro, cruiser, café, etc. bikes are all on one EPA/DOT certificate since they all use the same engine), but the Lifan bikes, for around the same cost, use a fuel-injected/liquid-cooled engine with a 6-speed transmission, and are solid 70-75 MPH bikes. I am guessing the X22R (Dongfang DF250RTS http://www.df-motor.com/Product.asp?...me=Motorcycles is probably a little faster than one of their other street bikes or enduro due to aerodynamics, but I doubt it is able to cruise at 65 or above. I have seen a few videos of the bike on youtube, and you have seen it in person, and all reviews are positive, but it uses the same single as most every enduro so would require some work to get it quicker than, say, 65 MPH, and that is pushing it from stock. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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02-23-2019, 04:33 PM	#3
wheelbender6 Join Date: May 2015 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,902	In addition to being inexpensive, the Hawk is versatile and there is plenty of stuff available in the aftermarket to customize to the kind of riding you like to do. Dual purpose, street, cafe racer, ADV; the Hawk can assume those roles with inexpensive mods. __________________ "Its not WHAT you ride; its THAT you ride"
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02-25-2019, 09:57 AM	#7
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,707	Good video on KPR200 and top speed. __________________ 2024 Linhai 300 ATV 4x4 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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02-25-2019, 07:43 PM	#8
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,055	Here is a good review from the US of both the KP Mini and the KPR200. The guy is no Chinese motorcycle fan, but does offer some good points on both Lifans--the bad points can be attributed to Lifan loaning out their bikes for demo rides. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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02-23-2019, 06:53 PM	#6
Pathfinders Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 129	Well said Jerry.
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02-26-2019, 11:29 AM	#9
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,707	That's some real word testing. __________________ 2024 Linhai 300 ATV 4x4 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S (Sold) 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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02-26-2019, 07:53 PM	#10
wheelbender6 Join Date: May 2015 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,902	Anybody found a big bore kit for the KP200? A 300cc version would be even more fun. __________________ "Its not WHAT you ride; its THAT you ride"
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