Lifan 163 FML vs 165 FMM

Abraham1815 · 07-15-2014, 09:59 PM

Hi all,

New member and for some 10 years owning a Suzuki 100 2-stroke, realy reliable.
Since some time I started thinking of doing something similar to this http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/653...25-conversion/
but instead of a Honda XR200 a Chinese made engine.
Lifan is, I believe, well known for its reliability. My intrest is between Lifan 163 FML and Lifan 165 FMM. apart from a different bore the stroke is different as well. Seems that the 165 FMM (displacement 223cc) is producing its power with 1000 revs less. So intresting for trialriding.

Could someone tell if both engines are identical? According to the technical specification they do have a different primary reduction http://www.lifan.com/English/Mall/Mo...a-3acde847d290
Technical specification does not show engine weight.

So help from you more experienced, Lifan owners, is appreciated. Perhaps someone even did a build in a MX chasis....

Abraham1815.

2LZ · 07-17-2014, 05:35 PM

All the Hondanoid motors are good...or I have yet to have bad luck with any of them. The pushrod unit is very torquey, a really crisp runner, very responsive if your carb is set up correctly and a favorite around here. I really don't think there's much noticable difference between the 200 and 223, at least that's I've heard. I wouldn't think twice about stuffing one in a bike frame. I'd shop the web and just see who has the best deal. Seems they're all about the same. Whether Zong, Loncin or Lifan makes them, is all a mystery.

Abraham1815 · 07-17-2014, 10:44 PM

Hi LZ,

Thanks for responding, overhere (Dom. Rep.) CG engines are very popular as well. Imported are Lifan, Zongshen or Loncin. And many rebranded bikes f.e. Domoto. And are quite reliable, parts in abundance and cheap.

So far I noticed all of them overhere are CG engines. My preference however is OHC, this particular Lifan 165 FMM as described on their website seems to develop its maximum torque at 6500 rpm. What may hold me back from OHC is avaiaibity of spareparts. I agree that an OHV has some advantages, probably not that many for racing oriented guys.......

Looks like I'm heading for my first Chinese 4-stroke. Well mixed with Jap MX frame............

07-15-2014, 09:59 PM	#1
Abraham1815 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dominican Republic. Posts: 2	Lifan 163 FML vs 165 FMM Hi all, New member and for some 10 years owning a Suzuki 100 2-stroke, realy reliable. Since some time I started thinking of doing something similar to this http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/653...25-conversion/ but instead of a Honda XR200 a Chinese made engine. Lifan is, I believe, well known for its reliability. My intrest is between Lifan 163 FML and Lifan 165 FMM. apart from a different bore the stroke is different as well. Seems that the 165 FMM (displacement 223cc) is producing its power with 1000 revs less. So intresting for trialriding. Could someone tell if both engines are identical? According to the technical specification they do have a different primary reduction http://www.lifan.com/English/Mall/Mo...a-3acde847d290 Technical specification does not show engine weight. So help from you more experienced, Lifan owners, is appreciated. Perhaps someone even did a build in a MX chasis.... Abraham1815.
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07-17-2014, 05:35 PM	#2
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,112	All the Hondanoid motors are good...or I have yet to have bad luck with any of them. The pushrod unit is very torquey, a really crisp runner, very responsive if your carb is set up correctly and a favorite around here. I really don't think there's much noticable difference between the 200 and 223, at least that's I've heard. I wouldn't think twice about stuffing one in a bike frame. I'd shop the web and just see who has the best deal. Seems they're all about the same. Whether Zong, Loncin or Lifan makes them, is all a mystery. __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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07-17-2014, 10:44 PM	#3
Abraham1815 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dominican Republic. Posts: 2	Hi LZ, Thanks for responding, overhere (Dom. Rep.) CG engines are very popular as well. Imported are Lifan, Zongshen or Loncin. And many rebranded bikes f.e. Domoto. And are quite reliable, parts in abundance and cheap. So far I noticed all of them overhere are CG engines. My preference however is OHC, this particular Lifan 165 FMM as described on their website seems to develop its maximum torque at 6500 rpm. What may hold me back from OHC is avaiaibity of spareparts. I agree that an OHV has some advantages, probably not that many for racing oriented guys....... Looks like I'm heading for my first Chinese 4-stroke. Well mixed with Jap MX frame............
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